rcgldr said:
the "contact patch" can be moving with respect to the ground (even though the tread isn't, since it's moves backwards through the contact patch), and power = force · speed. The contact patch static friction force from the ground times the speed of the contact patch equals the power that accelerates the car.
This just doesn’t work. Yes, the speed of the contact patch has units of speed, so if you multiply it by the force at the contact patch you do get a quantity that has units of power. But what does this quantity mean?
One possibility is that it is the rate of energy transfer across the contact patch, this is the most physically important quantity since it is the one related to the conservation of energy. However, that quantity is 0, so your quantity is the wrong value.
Ok, so maybe your quantity is the power output of the engine. For the original scenario that coincidentally works, but if the tire is spinning in place (peeling out) then the power output can be quite high while your quantity is zero. So it doesn’t work that way either.
Ok, so maybe your quantity represents the increase in KE. Again, for the original scenario this works coincidentally, but consider a runner accelerating. In that case your quantity is zero while the KE is increasing. So it doesn’t work for that either.
I cannot think of any meaning that you can consistently give to your quantity. Yes, it has units of power, but it does not represent the power transferred at the contact patch, nor the power produced by the engine, nor the rate of increase of the KE. As far as I can tell it has no physical significance. It is simply a quantity with units of power.
rcgldr said:
It's still my opinion that the work done can be calculated in the normal way for both cases. Where the surface distance of the work done equation is based on the point of application.
How many times in how many different ways does this need to be proven wrong before your opinion on the matter will change? If you don’t have an exact number a ballpark estimate would be fine.
Look, I completely understand where you are coming from. The human mind is excellent at generalizing. You have a concept that in this one scenario works pretty well. So it is easy to believe that it is a general approach. It is not. It works for a car on level road with no slipping. It doesn’t work for many non-cars, it doesn’t work for some non-roads, it doesn’t work for hills, it doesn’t work during slipping. Your opinion here is simply an over generalization.
In contrast to the force times the velocity of the contact patch, the force times the velocity of the material at the contact patch has a well defined and consistent physical meaning. It is the power transferred to or from the object through the contact patch. That definition works regardless of if the surface is stationary or moving and regardless of if there is slipping or not. It works for tires or feet, roads or boards, hills or level road, slipping or not.