Is There Missing Information in This Simple Harmonic Motion Problem?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an object in simple harmonic motion (SHM) with given acceleration and elongation values. The original poster is tasked with determining the angular frequency, velocity, and acceleration at a specific time, but expresses concern about missing information regarding initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the provided equations to find angular frequency and questions the necessity of knowing initial conditions such as time. Some participants suggest modeling the motion differently or considering energy, while others express uncertainty about the relevance of mass and amplitude.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some suggest that multiple sets of parameters could fit the given data, while others emphasize the lack of sufficient information for the original poster's current understanding level. There is no explicit consensus on the completeness of the problem statement.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may not provide enough data for the expected skill level of the original poster, and there is a suggestion that certain assumptions about initial conditions might be necessary.

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Homework Statement



An object moving with harmonic motion has an acceleration of -2 m/s^2 when the elongation is 0.5 m. Determine the angular frequency and the velocity and acceleration for t=1s.

Homework Equations



a=-ω2x (1)
x=Acos(ωt+θ) (2)
a=-Aω2cos(ωt+θ) (3)

The Attempt at a Solution



I found ω using equation (1). My problem is from this point on. To find the velocity and acceleration for t=1s I need to find the value of A and θ. However, I cannot do so because I don't know the time for which a=-2m/s2 or x=0.5m. I believe I would have to assume that t=0 for the data given but I don't like to do that as it is not stated in the problem. So, my question is, am I missing something obvious here or is there missing information in the statement? Thanks a lot for your help.
 
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You know more equations than that - model the motion as a mass on a spring.
You need to get the velocity etc as a function of position not time.
Hint: look at the energy.
 
Hi Simon: Not sure what you mean. First, problem does not state the mass. Second, the equations for kinetic and potential energy both depend on the amplitude which I don't think I can find with the given data. Incidentally, at this point in the curriculum I am not supposed to know about energy yet. In any case, I still think that the problem is not given me enough data to find a solution. Thanks for the suggestions though.
 
It looks undetermined, if this is the full text of the problem. Even if you assume that the values are for t=0.

When in this sort of doubt you can try to see if multiple sets of unknown parameters are compatible with the given data.

For example, you can take
A= 1m and θ = π/3
or
A=0.5 m and θ =0.

Both sets of parameters will give you the x=0.5 m and a=-2 m/s^2 at t=0.
But the values for v(1s) will be different.
 
zacc said:
Hi Simon: Not sure what you mean.
... about what?
First, problem does not state the mass.
... it may not matter. The mass may cancel out.

Second, the equations for kinetic and potential energy both depend on the amplitude which I don't think I can find with the given data.
You may end up with several equations in which you have several unknowns - like mass and amplitude and initial phase.
You solve them as simultaneous equations.

This is often the case when it looks like there is not enough information.

Incidentally, at this point in the curriculum I am not supposed to know about energy yet. In any case, I still think that the problem is not given me enough data to find a solution. Thanks for the suggestions though.
If that's the case them probably not enough data for your expected skill level.
It is likely, then, that the extra information is assumed in the framework that SHM has been explained to you in class.

i.e. maybe 0.5m is intended to be the initial displacement - the object is thus released from rest at x=+0.5.

(It seems odd to do SHM before conservation of energy and energy stored in a spring.)
 

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