Is this a new and useful source of energy?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of harnessing the Earth's rotational energy by transporting water from the equator to the poles. Participants explore theoretical implications, potential energy outputs, and the practicality of such a system.

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  • One participant proposes a method to tap into the Earth's rotational energy by using a large pipe to transport water from the equator to the poles, suggesting significant energy output.
  • Another participant questions the premise by pointing out that the pipe would be moving with the Earth, potentially undermining the proposed energy gain.
  • A third participant challenges the energy consumption estimate for an average North American home, suggesting it is significantly higher than stated.
  • Another viewpoint argues that if energy could be gained from such a method, natural ocean currents would already be flowing from the equator to the poles, which would lead to a settling at a minimum-energy level.
  • A later reply acknowledges the original idea as flawed but interesting, introducing a hypothetical scenario about the consequences if the Earth stopped rotating.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of the proposed energy source, with no consensus reached on its practicality or potential energy output.

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Participants highlight various assumptions, such as the movement of the pipe with the Earth and the implications of energy dissipation due to friction, which remain unresolved.

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Could you tap into the rotational energy of the Earth by transporting water from the equator to the poles? For example, imagine a large "oil" type pipe that went from the equator to the arctic pole, perhaps located submerged in the pacific. Water would initially be pumped into it to generate momentum and overcome frictional force. As the water moved an energy gradient would be established between the water and the pipe. The water would still have the angular momentum from the equator but the pipe would not. So then perhaps along the way or at the end the water would be released to turn a turbine. So here is my estimate...the angular velocity at the equator is 445m/s, at the pole it would be (approx.) 0. So that means for 1kg of water you would get .5*1kg*450^2 of energy. That comes out to be 100,000 Joules. If the velocity is 450m/s that means that 450 cubic meters of water (450,000kg) would be outputted per second so...that would be 450K kg * 100,000 Joules would equal 3.9*10^6 kilowatt hours. The average north american home uses 10Kilowatt hours per year so...this would be enough to power 40 Million homes per year. Besides the cost of friction...this seems like a worthwhile endeavor...similar to building a 20KM high dam...it isn't free energy because you are taking it from the rotational energy of the earth. I think...
 
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Er, ah... isn't your pipe moving with the Earth?
 
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udtsith said:
Could you tap into the rotational energy of the Earth by transporting water from the equator to the poles?
If there were energy to be gained that way then the oceans would naturally flow from the equator to the poles. The flow would continue until the heat from friction had dissipated the energy gained by flowing, and then the oceans would settle at their minimum-energy level. That is, in fact, what determines sea-level.
 
Although flawed, it is an interesting question.
I never noticed before that the level difference, as measured from the center, is 21.3 km or 13.2 miles.
Here's an interesting analysis of what would happen to the oceans if the world slowly came to a stop:

If the Earth Stood Still
Modeling the absence of centrifugal force
By Witold Fraczek, Esri

Ouch! No more Canada, Europe, nor Russia.
On the up side though, everything left over looks pretty much connected.
We could built a railroad along the equator that circled the globe! :smile:
 
tfr000 said:
Er, ah... isn't your pipe moving with the Earth?
 

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