Is This Projectile Range Equation Correct for Different Altitudes?

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The discussion revolves around deriving an equation for the horizontal range of a projectile that lands at a different altitude than its launch point. The problem involves concepts from projectile motion, specifically focusing on the relationship between initial velocity, launch angle, and vertical displacement.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the range equation using trigonometric identities and algebraic manipulation. Some participants suggest starting from a different equation to isolate the horizontal range, while others provide alternative substitutions and relationships between variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the algebraic manipulation needed to express the horizontal range in terms of the initial speed, angle, and vertical height. There is no explicit consensus on the best method yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of projectile motion equations, particularly in the context of differing launch and landing altitudes. There is an acknowledgment of the challenge in isolating the desired variable within the equations presented.

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Homework Statement


Derive an equation for the horizontal range of a projectile with a landing point at a different altitude from its launch point. Write the equation in terms of the initial velocity, the acceleration due to gravity, the launch angle, and the vertical component of the displacement. Please check to see if it is correct!
I tried to make the formulas as realistic as possible.

p.s. the "/" tend's to mean a fraction. a/b = a/b

Homework Equations



x = vcosΘt, t = v/cosΘ (1)

y = vsinΘt - 1/2 gt2 (2)

The Attempt at a Solution



Solving (1) for t and substituting this expression in (2) gives:

y = xtanΘ - (gx2/2v2cos2Θ)

y = xtanΘ - (gx2sec2Θ/2v2) ...(Trig. identity)

y = xtanΘ - (gx2/2v2) * (1+tan2Θ) ...(Trig. identity)

0 = (-gx2/2v2 * tan2Θ) + xtanΘ - (gx2/2v2) - y ...(Algebra)

Let p = tanΘ​

0 = (-gx2/2v2 * p2) + xp - (gx2/2v2) - y ...(Substitution)

p = -x ± √{ x2 - 4(-gx2/2v2)(-gx2/2v2 -y)} ...(Quadratic formula)
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2 (-gx2/2v2)

p = v2 ± √{ v4 - g(gx2 + 2yv2)} ...(Algebra)
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gx

tanΘ = v2 ± √{ v4 - g(gx2 + 2yv2)} ...(Substitution)
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gx

Θ = tan-1 [v2 ± √{ v4 - g(gx2 + 2yv2)}]
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gx
 
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Your algebra all looks good! But it seems to me you are asked to find x as a function of the initial speed, angle and y. That would mean starting with x = vt*cos(theta) and trying to solve the y equation for t in order to eliminate t in the expression for x.
 
Hmm. I see, I guess I just started solving for anything else.
Do you have any suggestions how I can do this? or how it looks like?
 
Let the desired horizontal range be h while the corresponding vertical height is k. We have:

[tex]h= v_{0}\cos(\theta)t \iff t = \frac{h}{v_{0}\cos(\theta)} \, *[/tex]

And

[tex]k = v_{0}\sin(\theta)t + \frac{1}{2} g t^{2}[/tex]

Use the substitution given by (*) to get:

[tex]k = v_{0}\sin(\theta) \left( \frac{h}{v_{0}\cos(\theta)} \right) + \frac{1}{2} g \left( \frac{h}{v_{0}\cos(\theta)} \right)^{2}[/tex]

[tex]k = \tan(\theta)h + \frac{gh^{2}\sec^{2}(\theta)}{2v^{2}_{0}}[/tex]

This is as far as you need to go since you have a relationship in terms of all the variables asked for in the question. It might be possible to isolate h in the equation, though I have no idea how it would be done.
 
Whew.. all that work for nothing.
Thanks mate!
 

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