Is Time Bending the 3rd Dimension in Spacetime Curvature?

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual understanding of spacetime curvature, particularly whether time can be viewed as bending into the third dimension rather than space. Participants explore the implications of visualizing spacetime in different dimensional grids and the nature of curvature in these dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that space can be imagined as a 2D grid, with Earth bending it into the 3rd dimension, suggesting a reinterpretation of how dimensions interact.
  • Others argue that the curvature depicted in models primarily represents space rather than spacetime, emphasizing that the third dimension is a conceptual aid rather than a physical reality.
  • A participant questions whether the bending should be viewed as time (4th dimension) being affected instead of space (3rd dimension), depending on how one defines the grid dimensions.
  • There is a suggestion that a 2D grid could represent one spatial dimension and the time dimension, indicating multiple ways to visualize the curvature of spacetime.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of dimensional bending and the representation of spacetime curvature. No consensus is reached regarding whether time or space is primarily affected in these models.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various interpretations of dimensionality and curvature, with some assumptions about the nature of grids and dimensions remaining unresolved.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Spacetime_curvature.png"

The picture linked above shows the spacetime curvature. Apparently, it's a 3d model.

But it's not! What i think (and basically trying to find out about) is that space itself is imagined as the 2d grid. What the Earth does is bends it into the 3rd dimension.

So, with an actual 3d grid, wouldn't this actually be bending not space [3rd dimension] but time [4th]? instead of bending the 2nd dimension into the 3rd, i think it would bend the 3rd into the 4th.
 
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What i think (and basically trying to find out about) is that space itself is imagined as the 2d grid. What the Earth does is bends it into the 3rd dimension.
That's what the picture does. The concept is that Earth bends these two dimensions in itself, not into a third dimension. The third dimension is merely to help your imagination.
In real life, there are 4 dimensons which are bent not into a fifth dimension, but into themselves.
 
overcaffein8d said:
But it's not! What i think (and basically trying to find out about) is that space itself is imagined as the 2d grid. What the Earth does is bends it into the 3rd dimension.
Exactly, it shows only the curvature of space not spacetime. The difference is explained here:
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/demoweb..._and_general_relativity/curved_spacetime.html

overcaffein8d said:
So, with an actual 3d grid, wouldn't this actually be bending not space [3rd dimension] but time [4th]?
Depends how you define the grid dimensions. You can also have a 2d grid, representing 1 space dimension and the time dimension, to show the curvature of spacetime. This is done in the links I provided in https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1557122&postcount=4".
 
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thanks for the quick response.

dude. that is cool.
 

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