Prove Isomorphic Groups: (\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) and (\langle i\rangle, \cdot)

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The discussion centers on proving that the groups (\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) and (\langle i\rangle,\cdot) are isomorphic. Participants explore the structure of both groups, with (\mathbb Z_4) represented by a Cayley table and (\langle i\rangle) defined as the subgroup of complex numbers generated by i. A suggested method involves creating Cayley tables for both groups and comparing them, while also considering the definition of an isomorphism through a function f. The conversation highlights the importance of explicitly defining f based on the group generators, with examples provided for potential mappings. Ultimately, the need for clarity in understanding group isomorphisms is emphasized, suggesting further personal assistance for deeper comprehension.
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Homework Statement


Show that the group (\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) is isomorphic to (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?

Homework Equations


-Group isomorphism

The Attempt at a Solution



Let \mathbb Z_4=\{0,1,2,3\}.
(\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) can be represented using Cayley's table:
<br /> \begin{array}{c|lcr}<br /> {_{+4}} &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 \\<br /> \hline<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 2 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 3 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 \\<br /> \end{array}<br />

What is the set \langle i\rangle?
How to define (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?
 
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The subgroup of ##(\mathbb{C},\cdot)## generated by ##i##.
 
micromass said:
The subgroup of ##(\mathbb{C},\cdot)## generated by ##i##.
What should be the order of that subgroup, and how to represent it using Cayley's table?
 
gruba said:
What should be the order of that subgroup, and how to represent it using Cayley's table?
Why don't you try figuring it out? What is ##i^2##?
 
gruba said:

Homework Statement


Show that the group (\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) is isomorphic to (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?
Should this be ##(\mathbb{Z_4}, +)##?
A group is defined by a set of elements of the group, together with an operation.

gruba said:

Homework Equations


-Group isomorphism

The Attempt at a Solution



Let \mathbb Z_4=\{0,1,2,3\}.
(\mathbb Z_4,_{+4}) can be represented using Cayley's table:
<br /> \begin{array}{c|lcr}<br /> {_{+4}} &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 \\<br /> \hline<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 2 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 3 &amp; 3 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2 \\<br /> \end{array}<br />

What is the set \langle i\rangle?
How to define (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?
 
Could someone explain this problem (using Cayley's tables - easier)? How to form Cayley's table for the group (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?

One method to show the groups are isomorphic is to create Cayley's tables and compare them (that is only useful for small groups).
I don't understand the method which requires finding the function (isomorphism) between these groups
 
gruba said:
Could someone explain this problem (using Cayley's tables - easier)? How to form Cayley's table for the group (\langle i\rangle,\cdot)?
Why don't you try what Orodruin suggested -- find i2, i3, and so on. This is not a hard problem.
gruba said:
One method to show the groups are isomorphic is to create Cayley's tables and compare them (that is only useful for small groups).
I don't understand the method which requires finding the function (isomorphism) between these groups
 
Mark44 said:
Why don't you try what Orodruin suggested -- find i2, i3, and so on. This is not a hard problem.

Let f:\mathbb Z_4\rightarrow \langle i\rangle=\{i^0,i^1,i^2,i^3\}=\{1,i,-1,-i\} where f is an isomorphism.
From here, how to explicitly define a function f?
 
gruba said:
From here, how to explicitly define a function fff?
What do you think? There are only four possibilities of defining a homomorphism (it is fully defined by specifying how f acts on the group generator). Two of them give isomorphisms!
 
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Orodruin said:
What do you think? There are only four possibilities of defining a homomorphism (it is fully defined by specifying how f acts on the group generator). Two of them give isomorphisms!
f(x)=e^x is one isomorphism.
 
  • #11
gruba said:
f(x)=e^x is one isomorphism.
Not between the given groups.
 
  • #12
Orodruin said:
Not between the given groups.
f(x)=e^{2\pi x i}?
 
  • #13
If I define ##f(0) = 1## and if I say ##f## is a homomorphism, can you figure out ##f(1)##, ##f(2)## and ##f(3)##? That is, can you describe ##f## completely??
 
  • #14
micromass said:
If I define ##f(0) = 1## and if I say ##f## is a homomorphism, can you figure out ##f(1)##, ##f(2)## and ##f(3)##? That is, can you describe ##f## completely??
f(0)=1,f(1)=i,f(2)=-1,f(3)=-i.

Using Lagrange interpolation polynomial on points (0,1),(1,i),(2,-1),(3,-i) gives
f(x)=-\frac{(x-1)(x-2)(x-3)}{6}+i\frac{x(x-2)(x-3)}{2}+\frac{x(x-1)(x-3)}{2}-i\frac{x(x-1)(x-2)}{6}.

But f(x) is not one to one.

What is the actual method for describing an isomorphism, without taking a guess?
 
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@gruba I'm guessing that the lack of further replies is caused by your last reply. It appears to me that you need more help than can be provided under the rules of this forum. My suggestion to is that you need to schedule a personal meeting with your teacher to clear up your misunderstandings on this topic.
 
  • #16
gruba said:
But f(x) is not one to one.

It is one-to-one on the relevant sets. You have specified f(x) for all elements of ##\mathbb Z_4##, there is absolutely no need to express it in terms of a polynomial (why would you think there was?).
 

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