Isotropic Radiation Propagation Patterns

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the propagation patterns of radio waves emitted from an isotropic antenna. Participants explore the equations used to model this propagation, the expected outcomes in terms of graphical representation, and the implications of various parameters such as distance and gain. The scope includes theoretical aspects of antenna radiation patterns and practical considerations in plotting these patterns in both 2D and 3D spaces.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their use of the equation for received power and notes unexpected results, questioning whether the equations are correct.
  • Another participant provides an alternative equation for received power, emphasizing the importance of considering the gain of the receiving antenna and the effects of distance on free space loss.
  • A third participant confirms that the units of [W/m^2] are appropriate for measuring radiated power, asserting that basic antenna equations involve gains and losses appropriately.
  • A participant acknowledges their initial oversight regarding antenna gains and clarifies their understanding of the relationship between distance and power distribution, expressing confusion over the graphical representation of isotropic radiation.
  • There is a discussion about the expected spherical shape of the radiation pattern versus the participant's observed results, which resemble a 1/R^2 distribution rather than a uniform sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of agreement on the equations and concepts discussed, but there remains uncertainty regarding the graphical representation of isotropic radiation and whether the equations are being applied correctly. No consensus is reached on the correctness of the initial assumptions or the resulting plots.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using the equations in the "far field" of antennas and caution against letting distance approach zero, as this can lead to undefined results. There is also mention of the need to clarify the relationship between distance and radius in the context of the equations used.

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Hello,

I'm trying to plot a radio wave propagation plot of an isotropic antenna. I've found a collection of equations that I've tried to use, but the results that I'm getting, aren't exactly what I expect (not a circle or sphere, since the power is equally distributed).

Here is the equation that I'm currently using.
ReceivedPower(RxP) = TransmitPower(TxP) - FreeSpaceLoss(FSL)

Receive gain is equal to the transmit gain, which is equal to 1 or 0dB.

FSL = -27.55 dB + 20*log[frequency(MHz)] + 20*log[distance(m)]
TxP = InputPower / 4*Pie*Radius^2
TxP = EIRP, Effective Isotropic Radiated Power


So the only variable that I have would be the distance & radius, which I believe to be the same. All the images of an isotropic antenna power distribution demonstrate a spherical (or in a 2d space, a circle with an intensity radiating outwards). Instead I have a spike in the middle of high power, which drastically goes to zero as the distance grows.

My question is whether or not I'm using the correct equations. If so, is this the sort of output that I should be seeing? Lastly, EIRP generates a unit [W/m2], can is this a valid unit to be using to be measuring dB, or is there a conversion that I should be using?
 
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Typically, you see:

Pr (dBW) = EIRP (dBW) + Gr (dB) - FSL (dB)

where Gr is the antenna gain of your receive antenna, FSL is as you calculated in the equation, and EIRP is the effective isotropic radiated power and is given by

EIRP (dBW) = Pt (dBW) + Gt (dB),

where Pt is the transmitter power, and Gt is the gain of your transmit antenna.

The only parameter that will depend on distance is FSL. When you plot the data, you will need to be careful about letting distance go to zero, as the equations blow up --- they are intended to be used in the "far field" of your transmitting and receiving antennas.
 
[W/m^2] is correct since any "radar/antenna" equation will give you result in this units. Because Radiated power is measured in watts per square meter.

Basic antenna equation states that:
Multiply or add-up everything the has to do with gain and divide by everything that has to do with loss, including distance.
 
Hi guys,

Thanks for the responses. It seems like I'm doing everything that you explained. I didn't add the gain to the equations, because I assumed that there was no gain or loss on both the transmitter or the receiver. Also I was reading on the TxP equation, and the Radius does vary, so it should increase/decrease respectively with the Distance variable. (TxP describes the power at a given distance from the transmitter source).

I've done a bit more work on this and here is what I think I'm getting confused with. I'm trying to graph my plot in both a 2D and 3D space. For a 3D space, I thought I was supposed to see a sphere (http://www.hp.com/rnd/images/pdf_html/antennas_figure6.jpg) , but when I graph my plot, it's more like rotating a 1/R^2 equation around the z-axis (looks something like a pitched tent). If I'm understanding this properly, the sphere demonstrates the isotropic propagation pattern (equally distributed in all directions), where my graph represents the power distribution of the isotropic signal (which is distributed in all directions, but the amplitude decreases as the distance grows). So in the end, I believe my graphs and equations are right. Please feel free to correct me here, if anyone disagrees. Thanks again for the help.
 
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