Issue calculating the derivative of a rational function

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the rational function \( f(x) = \frac{\sqrt{ax}}{\sqrt{ax}-1} \). Participants are exploring the application of derivative rules and the algebra of derivatives in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the derivative using theorems of derivatives, with one member expressing confusion over the correctness of their result compared to a textbook answer. There is also exploration of alternative approaches, such as defining a new function to simplify the derivative calculation.

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Some participants have provided guidance on alternative methods to approach the problem, while others have confirmed the correctness of the original poster's calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between different forms of the derivative expressions, with some members questioning the assumptions behind their results.

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Homework Statement
Find the derivative of:
$$f(x)=\frac{\sqrt{ax}}{\sqrt{ax}-1}$$
Relevant Equations
Theorems of the algebra of derivatives
First, I calculated the derivative of
$$D(\sqrt{ax})=\frac{a}{2\sqrt{ax}}$$
Then, by applying the due theorems, I calculated the deriv of the whole function as follows:
$$
f'(x)=\frac{\frac{a}{2\sqrt{ax}}(\sqrt{ax}-1)-\sqrt{ax}(\frac{a}{2\sqrt{ax}})}{(\sqrt{ax}-1)^2}=
-\frac{a}{2\sqrt{ax}(\sqrt{ax}-1)^2}$$
Which is not the correct result I should get.
 
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greg_rack said:
Homework Statement:: Find the derivative of:
$$f(x)=\frac{\sqrt{ax}}{\sqrt{ax}-1}$$
Relevant Equations:: Theorems of the algebra of derivatives

First, I calculated the derivative of
$$D(\sqrt{ax})=\frac{a}{2\sqrt{ax}}$$
Then, by applying the due theorems, I calculated the deriv of the whole function as follows:
$$
f'(x)=\frac{\frac{a}{2\sqrt{ax}}(\sqrt{ax}-1)-\sqrt{ax}(\frac{a}{2\sqrt{ax}})}{(\sqrt{ax}-1)^2}=
-\frac{a}{2\sqrt{ax}(\sqrt{ax}-1)^2}$$
Which has nothing to do with the correct result I should get.

Your work and result are entirely correct though:

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=\sqrt{ax}/(\sqrt{ax}-1)+derivative

Alternatively, you can define ##g(x) = \frac{x}{x-1}## and note that ##f(x) = g(\sqrt{ax})## and invoke the chain rule to calculate the derivative, but your approach is the most natural.
 
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Math_QED said:
Your work and result are entirely correct though:

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=\sqrt{ax}/(\sqrt{ax}-1)+derivative

Alternatively, you can define ##g(x) = \frac{x}{x-1}## and note that ##f(x) = g(\sqrt{ax})## and invoke the chain rule to calculate the derivative, but your approach is the most natural.
Mmm, that's odd but plausible.
Here's what my textbook regards as the correct form:
$$f'(x)=-\frac{\sqrt{ax}}{2x(\sqrt{ax}-1)^2}$$
Is there a way to write my ##\frac{a}{\sqrt{ax}}## term in the form of ##\frac{\sqrt{ax}}{x}##?
I've thought about it but didn't find a solution... is simply the textbook wrong?
 
greg_rack said:
Which is not the correct result I should get.
It looks right to me too. Another idea is that sometimes these things are easier with a general function:
$$f(x) = \frac{g(x)}{g(x) - 1}$$ $$f'(x) = \frac{g'(x)}{g(x) - 1} - \frac{g(x)g'(x)}{(g(x) - 1)^2} = \frac{-g'(x)}{(g(x) - 1)^2}$$
 
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$$
-\frac{a}{2\sqrt{ax}(\sqrt{ax}-1)^2} =? -\frac{\sqrt{ax}}{2x(\sqrt{ax}-1)^2}$$
 
PeroK said:
Is there a way to write my ##\frac{a}{\sqrt{ax}}## term in the form of ##\frac{\sqrt{ax}}{x}##?
I've thought about it but didn't find a solution... is simply the textbook wrong?
Those expressions look very equal to me!
 
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Guys, nevermind... I simply didn't notice that ##\frac{a}{\sqrt{ax}}##(my result) is just the same as ##\frac{\sqrt{ax}}{x}## from the textbook!
Silly me, by the way, thanks for the ideas and help! @PeroK @Math_QED :cool:
 
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greg_rack said:
Guys, nevermind... I simply didn't notice that ##\frac{a}{\sqrt{ax}}##(my result) is just the same as ##\frac{\sqrt{ax}}{x}## from the textbook!
Silly me, by the way, thanks for the ideas and help! @PeroK @Math_QED :cool:

Yes, some people like to not have squares in the denominator so one simply multiplier both numerator and denominator by the relevant square so that the square disappears in the denominator.
 
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