Issue with impedance/power correction

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The discussion revolves around a circuit involving resistors and inductors, where participants explore the effects of adding a capacitor to correct the power factor. The focus is on the implications for current, phase angles, and real power calculations, with a mix of theoretical and simulation approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a circuit configuration and claims that adding a capacitor of 28.35 µF should correct the power factor to 1, but finds that the current decreases unexpectedly.
  • Another participant questions the capacitor value, suggesting that a larger capacitor (50 µF) might achieve better phase alignment, though they have not calculated it.
  • A different participant asserts that adding a capacitor across the mains supply cannot change the current in the inductive branch, as the mains is assumed to have zero internal resistance.
  • One participant shares their SPICE simulation results, indicating that the voltage and current are out of phase, despite agreeing with the initial calculations of impedance.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem may be akin to a KCL (Kirchhoff's Current Law) scenario, noting that the power factor does not reach unity with the proposed capacitor value.
  • A participant expresses frustration over their inability to reconcile the real power calculations before and after adding the capacitor, despite consistent results using P=V*I.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the capacitor value and its impact on current and phase angles. There is no consensus on the correct capacitor size or the implications for real power calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the mains supply having zero internal resistance and the behavior of reactive components in the circuit. Some calculations and simulation results are referenced but remain unresolved.

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Individuals interested in circuit analysis, power factor correction, and the interplay between reactive components in electrical circuits may find this discussion relevant.

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Say I have a circuit like this: (R+L+R||L)

-----20ohm---150mH------------
|......|...|
Vs.......80mH 120ohm
|......|...|
---------------------------------

Vs = 120V @ 60Hz

So I decide I want to add a capacitor across the source of 28.35uF to correct the power factor to 1. Then, because I'm bored, I want to recalculate the current through the circuit to prove to myself that the current hasn't changed, only the phase angle.

Therefore I do something like -XCj || ((R+XL1) + R||XL2)

And end up with an answer of about 292 + 0j ohms.

This gives me a current much smaller than before I added the capacitor, meaning my real power has changed which isn't supposed to happen. Can someone shed some light on this problem?
 
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Are you sure about that capacitor?

I did a simulation and a capacitor of about 50 µF seems to get the current more in phase with the supply voltage than the one you suggest.

I haven't calculated it though.
 
I'm pretty certain it's the right value.
 
The current in the branch with the resistors and inductors in it can't be changed by adding a capacitor across the mains supply. The mains is assumed to have zero internal resistance.

The reduction in total current is due to the capacitor's current being out of phase with the inductive branch.

So, the capacitor should only be cancelling out the reactive component of the inductive branch's impedance.
 
Machinia, I get the same values you do, yet when I plug those values into SPICE, I do not get voltage and current in phase, instead I get current and voltage 180 deg out of phase. Still I believe your answer is correct.

R1 + XL1 = 20 + j56.55
R2 || XL2 = 7.13 + j28.37
Z = 27.13 + j84.97

Convert Z(series) to Z(parallel)
Rp = (Rs^2 + Xs^2)/Rs = 292.92
Xp = (Rs^2 + Xs^2)/Xs = 93.58

Find Capacitance
Cp = 1/(2 * pi * f * 93.58) = 28.34 uF
 
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Isn't it like simple KCL problem? If you are connect a capacitor across the source that is in parallel, then the current will be diverted into two diffrent paths. ? :smile:

Also, My circuit maker simulation says that power factor won't be unity after adding 28.35 uF capacitor across the load. :confused:
 
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I ran the circuit through SPICE also and adding/removing the capacitor did nothing to the phase angles...

But I'll ignore that for the moment.

Instead I'm concerned with the fact that I can't recalculate my real power anymore. Without the capacitor, the current through the circuit = 1.35A @ -72.3. So the real power is:

(1.35A)^2 * 20ohm + (other current)^2 * 120ohm = 120V * 1.35A cos(-72.3) = 49W

Now add the capacitor, and the current changes to:

120V / (292 + 0j) = 1.35A cos(-72.3) = 410mA (The reactive power of the L and C cancel each other)

The real power is still 120V * 410mA = 49W, but I can't get that same value by summing the power dissipated by each resistor. That was how I was initially approaching the problem rather than just using P=V*I. Something is going wrong for me and I don't know what it is.
 

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