Trouble Understanding RLC Circuits: Detailed Explanation for 250W Power Release

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding RLC circuits, specifically focusing on calculating the required frequency for a resistor to release a power of 250 W given an effective voltage of 120 V. Participants explore various equations and concepts related to power, current, voltage, and impedance in AC circuits.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about which voltage to use in power calculations and questions the application of different power equations (P = VI, P = V^2/R, P = V^2/Z).
  • Another participant suggests focusing on the current needed to deliver 250 W through the resistor and emphasizes the importance of understanding impedance as a function of frequency.
  • There is a discussion about calculating the necessary reactance from the inductor and capacitor values to determine the frequency.
  • One participant clarifies that inductors and capacitors do not dissipate energy, prompting a reflection on basic concepts.
  • Participants discuss the use of the equation P = VIcos(phi) and how it relates to the overall power calculation in the circuit.
  • There is an acknowledgment that learning involves discovering existing knowledge and understanding the relationships between different circuit components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, and multiple competing views on how to calculate power and impedance remain. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of voltage and current in the context of AC circuits, the role of impedance, and the conditions under which certain equations apply. There are also unresolved questions regarding the energy dynamics of inductors and capacitors.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals seeking to deepen their understanding of RLC circuits, power calculations in AC systems, and the relationships between voltage, current, and impedance.

Juraj
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I'm having real trouble understanding some concepts in RLC circuits.

If I have a circuit like this. The effective voltage is 120 V. What is the required frequency for resistor to release power of 250 W?

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I want to really understand this on a deeper level so please make the explanation detailed. I know that the power is P = VI but what voltage should (maximum or effective) I use, what current? How to calculate current if I have voltage? Why can't I just use P = V^2/R or P = V^2/Z? I'm really bothered by this and AC circuits seem very complicated. And what about the voltage drop in series circuit, does that affect the result?

And also, when is P = VIcos(phi) used? Can i use it here? And what if I wanted to calculate the energy released by the inductor or capacitor?
 
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I think you are lost in the equations. The V that you need is what occurs across the resistor. Not having that, go with the power equation in terms of current.

A better way to start is to ask - what value of current will deliver 250 W through the resistor? Watts = I^2 R

So now we have the current. You have an impedance that is complex and will change depending on frequency.

You need to write out the components of the impedance as a function of frequency. The magnitude of the impedance is Z.

With an effective voltage of 120 V and an impedance of Z, write the equation for the current.
 
Juraj said:
I want to really understand this on a deeper level so please make the explanation detailed.
You already understand more than you think you do. Just you're looking for an instant one step solution.

Authors of textbooks try to make you think in steps . So they give you problems that require two or more of them.

There's several ways to approach this one, and you should work it a few times coming at it from different angles.

I'd say first, as magoo suggested , figure what must be the current through the resistor , and then what must be the total impedance of the circuit to result in that much current. Pythagoras will tell you the reactance necessary, so at what frequency does 185 mh and 65 uf make that reactance?

Juraj said:
And what if I wanted to calculate the energy released by the inductor or capacitor?
Inductors and capacitors do not dissipate energy - go back to your basics.

Juraj said:
And also, when is P = VIcos(phi) used? Can i use it here?

Now that's interesting. 250 = 120 X current X cos(phi) gives you phi... Pythagoras again ?See, you knew that already didn't you ?
Much of learning is discovering what we already know.

Have you learned rectangular and polar notation yet ? That's the mental muscle this exercise is trying to build.

old jim
 
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It seems more clear now, thanks!
 

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