Power generated by a coil rotating in magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of medium power dissipated by a coil rotating in a magnetic field, exploring various methods to derive the power expression. Participants examine different approaches, including differential equations and circuit impedance, while also seeking validation and resources related to the problem.

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  • One participant presents a solution using a differential equation to derive the current and medium power, providing specific mathematical expressions.
  • Another participant suggests using Faraday's Law to find the EMF and current for a coil moving through a magnetic field.
  • A third participant proposes an alternative solution involving the general solution of the current with considerations for the coil's core material, indicating a preference for this method over others.
  • One participant questions the relevance of the coil's length in the calculations, suggesting it may not impact the results.

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Some assumptions regarding the coil's core material and its impact on the calculations are mentioned, but not fully resolved. The discussion includes varying interpretations of the problem setup and the applicability of different laws and methods.

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The problem: a coil of radius r, length l and N turns, rotating with constant angular velocity ω around an axis perpendicular to its simmetric axis and passing for the center of the coil. The coils is submersed in a static magnetic field, intensity B0, perpendicular to the axis of rotation of the coil. The coil is connected to a resistance R. What is the medium power dissipated by resistance?
1st solution: solving a differential equation with the current i(t) unknow I obtain:
$$-\frac{\text{d}}{\text{d}y}(B_0N\pi r^2cos(\omega t)+\frac{\mu_0 N^2 \pi r^2 i(t)}{l})=Ri(t)$$
and then the current:
$$i(t)=\frac{Rl^2 N \pi r^2\omega B_0}{((Rl)^2+(\mu_0 N^2 \pi r^2\omega)^2)^2}sin(\omega t)-\frac{\mu_0 N^3(\pi r^2)^2 \omega^2 B_0 l}{((Rl)^2+(\mu_0 N^2 \pi r^2\omega)^2)^2}cos(\omega t)$$
and medium power P:
$$P=\frac{R}{2} \frac{N^2 (\pi r^2)^2 \omega^2 B_0^2 l^2}{(Rl)^2+(\mu_0 N^2 \pi r^2\omega)^2}$$
2nd solution: a virtual ca generator in series with the coil. The circuit impedance is:
$$Z=R+j\omega L$$
the Faraday-Newman-Lentz applied to the solenoid get the max fem:
$$V= N \pi r^2 \omega B_0 sin(\omega t) $$
and the current max:
$$I=\frac{V}{|Z|}$$
so, the medium power dissipated by resistance:
$$P=\frac{R}{2} I^2=\frac{R}{2} \frac{(N \pi r^2 \omega B_0)^2}{R^2+(\omega L)^2}$$
and, substituting ##L=\frac{\mu_0 N^2\pi r^2}{l}##, I obtain the same than 1st solution
3rd soultion: somewhere in internet you can find:
the Faraday-Newman-Lentz applied to the solenoid get the max fem:
$$V= N \pi r^2 \omega B_0 sin(\omega t) $$
so the max current on the resistor:
$$I=\frac{V}{R}$$
and, then the medium power:
$$P=\frac{R}{2} VI=\frac{R}{2} \frac{(N \pi r^2 \omega B_0)^2}{R^2}$$
The question:
1) have you evidence of this calculation?
2) do you know a textbook for this problem?
3) do you know a software to simulate this system (matlab, pspice, labview, ...)?
thamks!
 
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I have never seen that before. For a coil moving through a magnetic field (and vice versa), I think Faraday's Law would be useful to find the EMF and thus the current.
 
If the coil data meets the attached sketch then
N*π*r^2*ω*Bo*sin(ω*t)+μo*N^2*πr^2/l *di(t)/dt+R*i(t)=0it seems- to me- it is correct if the core is of magnetic material made [it is not an air core].
The general solution it has to be like i(t)=I*sin(ω*t+φ)+Io*e^(-t/T)+Const
T=-R/(μo*N^2*r^2/l)
If t≈∞ then i(t)=I*[sin(ω*t)*cos(φ)+cos(ω*t)*sin(φ)]
The second solution it is better I think.
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I don't think thed length of the coil has anything to do with it.
 

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