Issue with the definition of the Hausdorff dimension

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The Hausdorff dimension D(A) of a set A is defined as the infimum of d ≥ 0 such that the d-dimensional Hausdorff measure H^d(A) is 0. In the discussion, it is clarified that the Hausdorff measure can indeed be 0, as demonstrated by the example of the natural numbers with d = 1, where the measure is calculated using closed intervals. The confusion arises from the definition of the infimum of positive numbers, which can be 0, as illustrated by the open interval (0,1). This establishes that subsets with isolated points can yield a Hausdorff measure of 0.

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Issue with the definition of the Hausdorff dimension

Homework Statement


http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HausdorffDimension.html" involves a n-dimensional Hausdorff measure of 0. I'm having trouble understanding cases that would give such a value.


Homework Equations


the Hausdorff dimension \textbf{D}(\textbf{A}) of A is the infimum of d>=0 such that the d-dimensional Hausdorff measure of A is 0

Let \textbf{X} be a metric space, \textbf{A} be a subset of \textbf{X}, and \textbf{d} a number >=0.

The \textbf{d}-dimensional Hausdorff measure of \textbf{A}, \textbf{H}^\textbf{d}(\textbf{A}), is the infimum of positive numbers \textbf{y} such that for every \textbf{r}>0, \textbf{A} can be covered by a countable family of closed sets, each of diameter less than \textbf{r}, such that the sum of the \textbf{d}th powers of their diameters is less than \textbf{y}. Note that \textbf{H}^\textbf{d}(\textbf{A}) may be infinite, and \textbf{d} need not be an integer.

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I read in some wikipedia article that a 2-dimensional Hausdorff measure of planar Brownian motion would be 0. So, I'm thinking that it may be that if one forms subsets out of said set A in which each subset contains only one isolated point, then the diameter of each of those subsets would be 0 and thus the Hausdorff measure would be 0. However, I don't think this is the explanation I'm looking for because then that set A would have a Hausdorff measure of 0 for any given dimension d.

Another issue I have is related to the definition of the Hausdorff measure.
It is the "infimum of positive numbers y such that..." How can the measure be 0 if it has to be a member of a set of positive numbers?
 
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mikfig said:
Another issue I have is related to the definition of the Hausdorff measure.
It is the "infimum of positive numbers y such that..." How can the measure be 0 if it has to be a member of a set of positive numbers?

The infimum of a set of positive numbers can be 0, e.g. the infimum of the open interval (0,1) is 0 even though every number in (0,1) is positive.

For example, look at the d = 1 Hausdorff measure of the natural numbers (so this is just the Lebesgue measure). For any y>0 we can cover 0 by the closed interval [-y/4, y/4], 1 by the closed interval [1-y/8,1+y/8], 2 by [2-y/16, 2+y/16] and so forth. The total length of these intervals is y/2 + y/4 + y/8 + y/16 + ... = y. Since this worked for all positive y, the inf over all these y is 0 so that the d = 1 Hausdorff measure of the natural numbers is 0.
 

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