History It changed the course of history

[BobG]

Okay now this brings up a good point. Oh yes...I have always understood [edit: I mean, according to the great cosmic source] IMHO to be ' ' humble opinion.

While in college I had a professor and a class mate who both harped about the use of qualifiers such as "in my opinion". If someone used this expression, the professor would say,"we all know that it's only your opinion. You don't need to explain this to the class". My buddy, a real academician [and probably quite insane] would say the same thing frequently. Anyway, I took this to be good academic etiquette. The problem is that the rest of the world expects it. Little quirks of the trade like this appear snobby to the rest of the world. There is a difference between stating a known fact, and stating one's opinion. I have heard objections made by others who are responding to a news or science report, or interview, in which this style of discourse was used.

It depends on the context. If you're talking about the results of an experiment, what happened is a fact while the cause may be proven fact or may just be your opinion of why it happened. If you're writing a pro/con paper for some hot social issue, you're obviously giving your opinion - stating so in your paper is just extraneous noise.

 

[franznietzsche]

It's actually extremely common here in the US. Most ATM signs even say it.

*Sigh*

You think a physics major near a california beach in a city where one need not check for traffic before crossing the street reads signs?

No, I'm watching all the half naked women in bikinis.

 

[Moonbear]

*Sigh*

You think a physics major near a california beach in a city where one need not check for traffic before crossing the street reads signs?

No, I'm watching all the half naked women in bikinis.

*lightbulb turns on* Now I suddenly understand why CA drivers have to stop for pedestrians who aren't looking where they are going!

 

[DaveC426913]

No... It didn't change the course of history, it simply added to course of history, just like every other event. Changed implies a pre-destined course of history that was altered by an event.

I see your point, though I don't have a problem with this phrase. Discrete events such as dropped bombs or assassinations have a dramatic effect on the world - enough to say that, if that event hadn't happened, the world would have otherwise proceeded fairly uneventfully for quite a while. It is not unreasonable to say that history was on a steady course, and that the event knocked it askew.

 

[DaveC426913]

"It goes without saying that..."

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

*Sigh*

You think a physics major near a california beach in a city where one need not check for traffic before crossing the street reads signs?

No, I'm watching all the half naked women in bikinis.

Lol... I probably woudn't notice either at the clubs with the girls running around in rubber, vinyle, and leather except that once it was mentioned I always noticed it from then on.

 

[Danger]

Discrete events such as dropped bombs

If you consider dropped bombs discrete, I don't imagine you're a major purchaser of silencers.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I've seen "Soup de Jur of the day", and other variations on menus...like "with De jur". In fact I think Arbys did this once. It seems that de jur is now a sauce or beef dip.

 

[Soilwork]

hahah I just read this and I guess you guys would be glad that you don't know me :)
But seriously there are some of these that can be used in the right manner.
The 'literally' one severely pisses me off when they follow it with something that is not.
I do have to defend "I don't mean to offend you" though.
I use that when I'm am criticising someone. But I really don't mean any offence. It is just meant to help them.
If someone is being extremely bloody rude without knowing I will say I don't mean to offend and then tell them what they are doing wrong.
It's like with my lab partner at uni. I say the same thing to him 'cause he seems to think it's OK to fudge results and make up values so that they agree with the theoretical values.
The only other one I'm going to defend is "you know".
It's OK to use this because in most cases the person does know. Yes it is used because you haven't thought through what you wanted to say, but I always finish the sentence as soon as I've thought how to put it.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Oh crud, I was mixing up my stories a bit with the use of au jus; as in "with au jus".

 

[Danger]

The only other one I'm going to defend is "you know".
It's OK to use this because in most cases the person does know. Yes it is used because you haven't thought through what you wanted to say, but I always finish the sentence as soon as I've thought how to put it.

In a (I think) strictly Canuk context, it's perfectly acceptable in casual conversation. It's essentially the same as 'eh', but more of a younger generation thing. As in: "That's a right fine sheep you got there, y'know."

 

[Danger]

Oh crud, I was mixing up my stories a bit with the use of au jus; as in "with au jus".

Oh, well, you know... if French isn't your first language... I mean, they're almost spelled the same... it's just those probles messing with you.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Did anyone mention this one: I don't know what I was thinking!

or, "it made sense when I thought about it". So it didn't make sense before you thought about it?

 

[Danger]

I don't know what I was thinking!
"it made sense when I thought about it". So it didn't make sense before you thought about it?

Right in there with 'It seemed like a good idea at the time'.

 

[Type 7]

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend; inside a dog, it's too dark to read.

That one comes from the Master himself: Groucho Marx.

My personal favorite Marxism: Groucho is looking at his watch while taking someone's pulse and says, "Either he's dead or my watch has stopped."

 

[Bladibla]

Right in there with 'It seemed like a good idea at the time'.

But if the converse is true, it would make sense, no?

 

[Type 7]

I've made it habit to state that things are my opinion and things "seem" a particular way rather than "are".

This is only my fourth post and I'm already referring to Ben Franklin a second time. Anyway, in his Autobiography he makes a very good case for using "seem" and other modest words and phrases.

Franklin: "I wish well meaning, sensible men would not lessen their power of doing good by a positive, assuming manner, that seldom fails to disgust, tends to create opposition, and to defeat every one of those purposes for which speech was given to us."

And a friend of mine cringes any time he hears acronyms used improperly such as "ATM machine" and "MAOI inhibitors".

I cringe every time I hear myself say "PIN number."

 

[Moonbear]

I cringe every time I hear myself say "PIN number."

I catch myself doing that too, though, just as bad, I needed to create a PIN for something, and the instructions said it should be a specified number of characters, which could be any combination of numbers or letters.

 

[Type 7]

Actually, all my PIN numbers are letters. As part of my ongoing mission to overthink everything, I have to make PINs meaningful in some way by turning them into aphoristic acronyms along the lines of Keep It Simple Stupid.

I've yet to notice any actual benefit or improvement to my character from doing this.

 

[DaveC426913]

Actually, all my PIN numbers are letters.

Yah. Careful with this one. If you use a password as a PINumber, then next time you come across a pinpad where there are no letters on it, you're SOOL.

Trust me on this one...

 

[Danger]

That one comes from the Master himself: Groucho Marx.

Thanks. I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me.

My personal favorite Marxism: Groucho is looking at his watch while taking someone's pulse and says, "Either he's dead or my watch has stopped."

If you're going to get into quoting Groucho, better start a new thread for it. It'll probably be longer than the 'Thread Killer' thread.

 

[Type 7]

Yah. Careful with this one. If you use a password as a PINumber, then next time you come across a pinpad where there are no letters on it, you're SOOL.

It has happened and I was indeed SOOL (which would make a good PIN, by the way). For my ATM PIN I now type the numbers while thinking the acronym.

Yes, I am quite the complicater of life's simplicities, but I see it as taking the scenic route thru life, the long way home.

 

[moose]

"enter your pin number"
that is like saying "im going to USA america"

 

[Danger]

I see it as taking the scenic route thru life

I tried that for a while, but I got carsick.

 

[Type 7]

If you're going to get into quoting Groucho, better start a new thread for it. It'll probably be longer than the 'Thread Killer' thread.

I'm much too new here to be starting that kind of trouble!

 

[Danger]

I'm much too new here to be starting that kind of trouble!

It's never too early to make a bad impression. I went from lost-and-bewildered-innocent-young-thing to major-pain-in-the-ass in a couple of weeks...



Okay, I'm still bewildered... but that's beside the point.

 

[Type 7]

It's never too early to make a bad impression.

Sound words to live by!

 

[Danger]

Sound words to live by!

And it gets much easier with constant practise.

 

[Moonbear]

It's never too early to make a bad impression. I went from lost-and-bewildered-innocent-young-thing to major-pain-in-the-ass in a couple of weeks...

It didn't seem to take that long.

 

[Danger]

It didn't seem to take that long.

You flatter me. Perhaps it's a matter of definition. I figured that I was only a minor pain in the ass at first.