Iterative square root? sqrt(2+sqrt(2+sqrt(

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The discussion centers on nested radicals, specifically expressions like sqrt(2 + sqrt(2 + ...)), which converge to specific limits, such as 2 for the case of sqrt(2 + sqrt(2 + ...)). Participants clarify that these expressions can be solved by rewriting them into finite forms, leading to equations like 2 + x = x². The existence of limits for these sequences is confirmed through the properties of increasing sequences in extended real numbers. The conversation also touches on the Gamma function, with inquiries about its behavior and roots, although detailed theoretical insights on this topic are less prevalent. Overall, the thread provides foundational understanding of nested radicals and their convergence properties.
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The other day I was playing with my calculator and noticed that

\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+...}}}} \approx 2

But, what is that kind of expression called? How does one justify that limit?
And, to what number exactly does converge, for example:

\sqrt{1+\sqrt{1+\sqrt{1+\sqrt{1+...}}}} \approx 1.6161

\sqrt{3+\sqrt{3+\sqrt{3+\sqrt{3+...}}}} \approx 2.3027

Any references where I could read about these subjects?

Another question. Considering real x>1, we have:
\Gamma(x) - x^1 = 0 then x \approx 2

But how does one justify that? And what are the exact values of these functions:

\Gamma(x) - x^2 = 0 then x \approx 3.562382285390898
\Gamma(x) - x^3 = 0 then x \approx 5.036722570588711
\Gamma(x) - x^4 = 0 then x \approx 6.464468490129385

Thanks,
Damián.
 
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They are called Nested Radicals. There are references in the link. I am unfortunately not familiar with their theory.
 
slider142 said:
They are called Nested Radicals. There are references in the link. I am unfortunately not familiar with their theory.

Thank you slider142!
That answered my first question.
Does anyone know about my second question? Or any further references?
Thanks,
Damián.
 
\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+...}}}} = x

For something like this, you can rewrite the equation as

\sqrt{2+x} = x

And then the infinite equation is captured in a finite form. From there, you simply square both sides.

2+x = x^2

And solve for x.

But I don't know much more than that! Don't forget that square-roots are non-negative.
 
For nested radicals of the form

\sqrt{a + \sqrt{a + \sqrt{a + \dots}}}

using the trick

\sqrt{a + x} = x

works very well. Two roots will emerge, but only one is positive (the other is extraneous).

In the case when a = 2, x = 2.

When a = 1, then x = \phi = \frac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2} \approx 1.618034 a.k.a. the golden ratio.

As to the second question regarding the Gamma function, I'm not sure much theory is available.

--Elucidus
 
For a dose of rigor -- we have to be sure the limit really exists before we can compute it with such tricks!

In this case, it's easy: the value is the limit of an increasing sequence, and limits of increasing, extended real number-valued sequences always exist.

It's important to notice that extended real numbers come into play here! The equation
2 + x = x²​
has three relevant solutions: -1, 2, and +\infty. We know the limit exists, so it has to have one of those three values. It's easy to rule out -1, but more work is needed to decide between 2 and +\infty.
 
If we examine the sequence \{a_n\}_{n=0}^{\infty} when a_0 = \sqrt{2} and

a_{n+1}=\sqrt{2+a_n}

Then it is possible to show by induction that a_n \leq 2 for all n so the +\infty case is impossible.


But you are correct, this possibility does need to be ruled out, Hurkyl.

--Elucidus
 
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