The Lens Matters More Than the Camera: A Personal Story

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The forum discussion emphasizes the critical importance of lens quality over camera body specifications in photography. The user, who previously utilized a Sony a850, highlights the superior image quality achieved with Nikon lenses when used without an adapter lens, demonstrating significant improvements in sharpness and detail. The conversation also touches on the financial investment in high-quality lenses, with users sharing their experiences and costs associated with premium glass, reinforcing the notion that investing in lenses is a long-term strategy for photographers.

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Sadly, my camera (Sony a850) is 'beyond repair'. It served with honor and distinction for 6 years, I took about 200k images with it.

Until I replace it, I've been sharing my kids' Canon 1100D (Rebel T3)- an entry level camera- so I got a Nikon-EF adapter. Well.

6 years ago, when I re-discovered 35mm photography, I made a choice to spend my cash on good lenses rather than a high-end camera body. At the time, this meant I needed a Nikon-Alpha adapter, and these have a lens inside. I knew that the adapter lens degraded the performance of the camera lens (both vignetting and aberrations), but I rationalized my choice of a Sony body and used Nikon manual-focus lenses due to the significant cost savings.

So now I'm using the Nikon lenses without a lensed adapter, and the difference is more than I guessed: here's a 400% crop (no interpolation, jpg straight out of the camera) of the moon, taken with the Sony:

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The zoom makes it hard to tell, but this image is extremely sharp- this particular feature on the moon is one of the 'benchmarks' I use to judge atmospheric distortion, camera shake, etc. Now here's the same area taken with the Canon (also jpg, straight off the camera):

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The difference is quite dramatic and results only from the lack of an intermediate lens- the pixel pitch is similar.

The moral of the story is clear- the lens matters more than the camera. When you are ready for a digital camera with interchangeable lenses, spend your money on the lenses rather than the camera- a good lens will last many generations of camera bodies. Unfortunately, newer lenses often omit the aperture ring, which potentially limits their ability to be used on future camera bodies (I'm looking at you, 85/1.4 G!).

Personally, since my lenses are all F-mount, I'm going to share the 1100D until the price of a Nikon D810 drops a bit more; I need the full-frame sensor to take full advantage of my wide angle lens. An attractive alternative (for me) is the D750, we'll see what mood Santa is in.
 
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Does your cam shoot raw? I'd be curious to see a comparison there. That would eliminate jpeg compression as a confounding factor in your comparisons.
 
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Is it just me, or does the bottom picture look more detailed than the top?
 
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Drakkith said:
Is it just me, or does the bottom picture look more detailed than the top?
It's just you. The bottom picture looks more detailed because it is more strongly pixelated and thus has sharper edges so looks more detailed but actually has lost some of the gradations. That is, it looks sharper, but that is not due to a correct representation of reality but rather an artifact of the pixelation.
 
phinds said:
It's just you. The bottom picture looks more detailed because it is more strongly pixelated and thus has sharper edges so looks more detailed but actually has lost some of the gradations. That is, it looks sharper, but that is not due to a correct representation of reality but rather an artifact of the pixelation.
I disagree. I know what you're getting at, and I examined this carefully for that very thing. Edge contrast is certainly a factor in making a picture appear more detailed than it is, I agree with that.

But I see finer gradients and more detail in the areas where it's not burned out. I would say these are bona fide details.
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It's a tough call. You may be right. @Andy Resnick, what say you?
 
DaveC426913 said:
Does your cam shoot raw? I'd be curious to see a comparison there. That would eliminate jpeg compression as a confounding factor in your comparisons.

I don't think the 1100D has RAW. It's a entry-level camera.
 
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It's a tough call. You may be right. @Andy Resnick, what say you?

I think the lack of an adapter lens results in a sharper image. Plus, there's no vignetting. The difference is even more dramatic off-center.
 
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I think the lack of an adapter lens results in a sharper image.

agreed, the less glass in the path is always a good thing :smile:

over the last few years, I have gone all out, no expense spared, on good glass
The old adage, "Do it right, do it once"
so far has cost me over $6000 for 3 top lenses for my Canon 5D3Dave
 
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davenn said:
over the last few years, I have gone all out, no expense spared, on good glass
The old adage, "Do it right, do it once"
so far has cost me over $6000 for 3 top lenses for my Canon 5D3

Yep, I spent about the same. But we'll (probably) never have to buy another lens.

Except I still want the 200/4 Micro-Nikkor, 12/5.6 Voigtlander, 85/1.4 Otus, 60mm and 7.45mm Coastal Optics lenses... :)
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Yep, I spent about the same. But we'll (probably) never have to buy another lens.

my dream lens is the Canon EF 400mm f2.8, just a drop in the bucket at AU$12,500 hahaha
have a fellow tog that has one ... its awesome for low light event photography and would be awesome for astro workDave
 
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davenn said:
my dream lens is the Canon EF 400mm f2.8, just a drop in the bucket at AU$12,500 hahaha
have a fellow tog that has one ... its awesome for low light event photography and would be awesome for astro work

Exactly why I waited until a good used one appeared. Snagged it for $2k. Patience pays off...
 
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Exactly why I waited until a good used one appeared. Snagged it for $2k. Patience pays off...

lucky you :) ... yeah, I would happily pay 2 - 3k for one, but 12k+ it aint going to happen haha
 
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More data showing the effect of a lensed adapter; these are images of Rupes Recta, both jpgs taken with identical settings (800/5.6, same shutter and ISO settings). This feature is about 2.5km across, with a height differential of only about 300m. The images are scaled 400%, no interpolation. If printed as displayed, the moon would be about 5 feet in diameter.

First, the Sony:

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Next, the Nikon:

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It's like a veil was lifted off the lens...
 
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That is quite an improvement.
 

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