Jacobians change of variable integrals

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The discussion revolves around evaluating integrals using change of variables, specifically focusing on polar coordinates and transformations involving Jacobians. The original poster presents two integrals, one requiring a change to polar coordinates and the other involving a transformation from variables \(x\) and \(y\) to \(u\) and \(v\).

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  • Participants explore the necessity of the Jacobian in transformations, with some suggesting that it may not be needed for polar coordinates. Others discuss how to determine the new area of integration when changing variables.

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Some participants have provided insights into the transformation process and the implications for the area of integration. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply these transformations correctly, with no explicit consensus reached on the best approach.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the geometric interpretation of the area of integration and the transformations involved. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the complexity of the problems presented.

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Homework Statement


edit* proper problem

change to polar

Integral(0 to infinity)Integral(0 to infinity)e-sqrt(x2 + y2[/SUP)dxdy

the one below isn't the right problem, but i'd still appreciate help on the one below

Make the change of variables u=x-y, v=x+y to evaluate the integral

Integral(0 to 1)dy Integral(0 to (1-y)) e(x-y)(x+y)dx

Homework Equations



J = J((x,y)/(u,v)) = partial((x,y)/(u,v)) = det(partial((x,y)/(u,v)))


The Attempt at a Solution



PROBLEM 1
Not sure how to do a jacobian for this or even if its needed. It looks as if i would just stick in y=rsint x=rcost.

PROBLEM 2

I did the determinant which came to

{1, 1}, {-1, 1} = 2


integral()integral()f|J|dudv = integral()integral()2euvdudv

not sure if this is right, but if it is I'm not sure how to change my limits

thanks
 
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For (2), you need to determine how the area of integration in x and y is transformed to a new area of integration in u and v under the transformations u=x-y and v=x+y. So first draw a simple plot of the area in x and y for:

\int_0^1 \int_0^{1-y} f dxdy

That's just the triangular region between (0,0), (1,0) and (0,1) right? Ok, so just take the line segment along the x-axis from 0 to 1 and see how that line is transformed to a new line in the u-v coordinate system. So, y=0 for that and x goes from 0 to 1 so:

u=x
v=x
v=u

then the line along the real axis from 0 to 1 in the x-y coordinate plane is mapped to the line v=u from u=0 to u=1 in the u-v coordinate plane. Now, do that for the other two lines around this area, and that will give you the new region in the u-v plane to integrate over.
 
can anyone help with my first question.
 
You don't "need" the Jacobian if you remember that the "differential of area" in polar coordinates is r drd\theta.

Of course, "r" is the Jacobian:
\left|\begin{array}{cc}\frac{\partial x}{\partial r} & \frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta} \\ \frac{\partial y}{\partial r} & \frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\end{array}\right|= \left|\begin{array}{cc}cos(\theta) & -r sin(\theta) \\ sin(\theta) & r cos(\theta)\end{array}\right|= r
 
HallsofIvy said:
You don't "need" the Jacobian if you remember that the "differential of area" in polar coordinates is r drd\theta.

Of course, "r" is the Jacobian:
\left|\begin{array}{cc}\frac{\partial x}{\partial r} & \frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta} \\ \frac{\partial y}{\partial r} & \frac{\partial y}{\partial \theta}\end{array}\right|= \left|\begin{array}{cc}cos(\theta) & -r sin(\theta) \\ sin(\theta) & r cos(\theta)\end{array}\right|= r

yes i seen that in previous chapter in my textbooks. but I'm not sure how easy this question is supposed to be. When i applied what you put up top


re^{-\sqrt{(rcos\vartheta)^{2}+(rsin\vartheta)^{2}}}drd\vartheta

re^sqrt(...) since i can't get the text to sit right
which would reduce to re-r
 

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