Jefimenko's Theory of Gravitation: Continued Discussion

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The discussion revolves around Jefimenko's theory of gravitation, exploring its validity and the understanding of its vector equations. Participants express curiosity about the theory and its comparison to established gravitational theories, particularly Einstein's general relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire to understand Jefimenko's theory better, particularly the vector equations presented in his book.
  • Others argue that Jefimenko's theory resembles a personal theory rather than a robust scientific framework, suggesting that Einstein's general relativity remains the best theory of gravitation.
  • One participant suggests that it would be valuable to identify specific failures in Jefimenko's theory by comparing its predictions against known physical behaviors.
  • Another participant emphasizes that brilliant individuals can still be incorrect, citing Aristotle as an example, and questions the rationale behind not investigating Jefimenko's theory further.
  • A participant mentions that proponents of Jefimenko's theory should calculate its predictions to validate its scientific standing, implying that without such validation, the theory lacks credibility.
  • One participant offers to exchange their expertise in software engineering for insights into physics, highlighting the challenge of mastering complex subjects.
  • Another participant dismisses the idea of exchanging expertise as not aligned with the forum's norms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of Jefimenko's theory, with some expressing interest in exploring it further while others maintain that established theories like general relativity are superior. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the merits of Jefimenko's work.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of expertise and willingness to engage with Jefimenko's theory, indicating a potential gap in understanding and the need for clear comparisons with established theories. There are unresolved questions about the theory's predictive capabilities and its acceptance within the scientific community.

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Trying to better understand Jefimenko's gravitational-cogravitational equations
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I am also really curious to better understand Jefimenko's theory of gravitation; I have the book, which apparently is no longer available on amazon, and I updated the wikipedia page to include his generalized gravitation equations.

Some of the vector equations in the book were a little over my head; would be really curious if there is anyone here who has read the book & is able to understand the vector equations to give a breakdown of what holds water & what doesn't.
 
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This looks rather like a personal "theory" by Jefimenko than physics. The still best theory of gravitation is Einstein's general relativity with a well-defined weak-field limit, leading to Newtonian theory of gravitation with a well-defined realm of validity.
 
For sure, but it seems quite sound, given that the guy was quite brilliant, it seems like it'd be worthwhile for someone who is able to understand it to deeply look at it.

What I mean is, I'd love a breakdown like "his theory/formulation breaks down when you try to apply his X formula against Y physical behavior, it breaks down & incorrectly predicts the results"

That is what science is about after all, right? (and not "the best theory is the one we know so there's no need to dig deeper into anything else)

Not digging into pseudoscience is fair, but Jefimenko actually lays out formulas that should be pretty easy to shoot down
 
marcosdb said:
For sure, but it seems quite sound
How do you know that? Are you an expert?
marcosdb said:
given that the guy was quite brilliant
Brilliant people are not always right. Aristotle, for example.
marcosdb said:
it seems like it'd be worthwhile for someone who is able to understand it to deeply look at it.
So, your argument is that it's not worth your own time to become an expert yourself and look into it, but instead someone else should devote their time into looking at it. Not the best sales pitch.

Some proponent of the theory should calculate its predictions for the PPN parameters and show they agree with experiment. If they don't, the theory is wrong. If the theory can't predict them, it's not much of a theory.
 
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My argument is that I, a software engineering expert, am not going to brush up on it as quickly as a physics expert would

Much like I could answer a question about Kotlin/Java/C++/C# in 10 seconds, while it may take you years to learn the subject

My pitch is that I, a software engineering expert, would be more than happy to lend my knowledge/expertise/understanding in my field in exchange for a rundown in phsyics
 
marcosdb said:
My pitch is that I, a software engineering expert, would be more than happy to lend my knowledge/expertise/understanding in my field in exchange for a rundown in phsyics
Sorry, that's not how things work here.

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