Joint distribution of functions

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The problem involves finding the density function of the random variable Y1, which is defined as the sum of two independent uniform random variables X1 and X2, both distributed over the interval (0,1). The transformation also introduces another variable, Y2, defined as the difference between X1 and X2. Participants are exploring the implications of these transformations and the associated bounds for Y1 and Y2.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the cumulative distribution function (CDF) to find the density function of Y1. There is mention of visualizing the problem using coordinate axes and considering the area under the curve for integration. Some participants express confusion about setting up the bounds for the problem and the appropriate values for t in the context of the CDF.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing different approaches and attempting to clarify concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of geometric interpretations and the area under curves, but there is still uncertainty about specific values and how to proceed with the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the setup of the problem, including the bounds for Y1 and Y2, and the implications of the transformations from X1 and X2. There is also a side discussion regarding grammatical usage of pronouns, which reflects the participants' broader engagement with clarity in both mathematical and linguistic contexts.

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Homework Statement


X1 and X2 are independent~u(0,1)

Y1=X1+X2

Y2=X1-X2

Find the density function of Y1


Homework Equations



X1=(Y1+Y2)/2
X2=(Y1-Y2)/2

0\leqY1\leq2
-1\leqY2\leq1

0\leqY1+Y2\leq2
0\leqY1-Y2\leq2

-y1\leqy2\leq2-y1
-1\leqy2\leqy1

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't understand how to set up the upper and lower bounds for these problems. I have spent the last two days wrestling with this, and I just don't get it. My professor spent almost an hour today trying to explain this to me, and I got nothing out of it. I will send a chocolate chip cookie through the mail to whoever can explain this in a way that I will finally understand. And while you're at it, maybe you can tell me if I should have used whomever in the last sentence, because that's another thing beyond my comprehension.
 
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Problem 1.

I would use the cumulative distribution function. Let F be the cdf for Y1. (Y1 will not be uniform, by the way.)

Then F(t)=P(Y_1 \le t)=P(X_1 + X_2 \le t). Now finding P(X_1 + X_2 \le t) is a somewhat straightforward problem. Draw x_1 x_2 coordinate axes. Draw the set of points (x_1,x_2) where the pdf for X1 and the pdf for X2 are nonzero (should be a square). Draw the line x_1+x_2=t and shade the correct side. Then as a great time-saving trick, instead of integrating, you can find areas using the formula for the area of a triangle (since the joint pdf is constant). There are two cases to consider, depending on what t is (i.e., depending on whether the line x_1+x_2=t is below or above the main diagonal of the square).

That's how I would do it. That doesn't look close to your notes at all, though.

Problem 2.

Determine the case of each pronoun by its use in its own clause. The case is not affected by any word outside the clause.

The subject of a clause takes the subjective case, even when the whole clause is the object of a verb or preposition.

In your example, the whole clause is whoever can explain this in a way that I will finally understand.

Whoever is the subject of can explain, so whoever is the correct pronoun, not whomever.

The whole clause whoever can explain this in a way that I will finally understand is the object of the preposition to, but that is irrelevant. The case is not affected by the word to outside the clause.
 
You had me until you said to draw the line x1+x2=t. What value of do I use t?
 
mlarson9000 said:
You had me until you said to draw the line x1+x2=t. What value of do I use t?

0.6


Then try it with 1.7


Then try a generic t value.
 
So 0\leqY1\leq2. The line will have a slope of -1, cutting the square diagonally. It will cut the square in half at t=1. What do I do with this information to get f(y)? F(y)=\intf(y), so I need to find an equation for the area, and differentiate. This will have two parts. First 0\leqY1\leq1, and then 0\leqY1\leq2. How do I get the second half? Maybe I'll be able to put this together when I'm not sleepy.
 

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