Jumping, weightlessness and movement in tennis

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of weightlessness, movement, and physics in the context of jumping and the split step in tennis. Participants explore the implications of weight and mass during jumps and landings, as well as the mechanics of movement in sports.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that during a jump, the body experiences a moment of weightlessness upon landing, which may enhance movement speed in tennis.
  • Another participant counters that the body is never truly weightless, emphasizing that mass remains constant and gravity is always acting on the body.
  • A participant mentions that muscles stretch upon landing, implying a connection to the mechanics of the split step.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between weight and mass, with some participants asserting that weight can change while mass does not.
  • One participant elaborates on the concept of apparent weight versus actual weight, referencing the equivalence principle and how free-fall conditions relate to inertial motion.
  • Another participant proposes that increasing grip on the ground during landing could enhance acceleration in either direction, suggesting physiological and mental factors may also play a role in movement.
  • A participant discusses measuring weight in a zero-gravity environment, arguing that weight can be defined in terms of the force needed to accelerate an object.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the concept of weightlessness, with some asserting it exists during jumps and others firmly stating that the body is never weightless. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the definitions and implications of weight and mass.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions used by participants, particularly regarding weight and mass, as well as the conditions under which weightlessness is experienced. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding these concepts.

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I have just jumped up in air and when my feet hit the ground my body is weightless for a couple of seconds isn't it?
Is this why when in tennis that when you do a split step that you can move so fast in ether direction because you are weightless when your feet touch the ground?
 
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Your body is never weightless. It always has mass, and always feels the force of gravity.

Some people refer to free-fall as being "weightless," but this is just a poor choice of words. Your body is certainly not "weightless," even in that sense, after you hit the ground.

- Warren
 
I hear that when you body hits the ground from the split step that it streches the musles.
 
And stretched muscles somehow make you "weightless?"

- Warren
 
I ment when you hit the ground you musles strech. I just don't under stand the physics of the split step thought you guys would be able to help.
 
chroot said:
Your body is never weightless. It always has mass, and always feels the force of gravity.
Mass and weight are different. Weight can change (to zero or weightless) but mass will be the same.
If you still have weight during free fall, prove it. Or rather how can one prove your weight during free fall, and remember weight is different then inertial mass.
 
Weight is a poorly understood subject. An object's "actual weight" is often defined as the force on that object due to gravity. Scales do not measure "actual weight". They measure "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_weight" ". I would call an object's "apparent weight" its "real weight" because one can build sensors to measure it (e.g., scales).

The object's "actual weight" is actually unmeasurable. There is no device that can measure "actual weight". Why? Free-fall is indistinguishable from inertial motion per the equivalence principle. Per general relativity, free-fall is inertial motion. One cannot measure gravity (directly, that is).

Weightlessness is a condition of lack of apparent weight. The accelerometers in a spacecraft orbiting the Earth and the vestibular systems of the astronauts in that spacecraft register near zero acceleration. When a person on the Earth jumps up or a skydiver jumps out of an airplane their apparent weight momentarily vanishes. The Earth-bound jumper's weight returns when the jumper lands. A skydiver's weight builds up as he builds up speed and reaches normal weight when the skydiver reaches terminal velocity.
 
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You could accelerate (to either side) faster (more suddenly) if you increased your grip on the ground. One way to do this is to increase the pressure you place on the ground, which inevitably occurs naturally as you are landing from a jump. No idea whether this is relevant to your "split step". There could also be more physiological or mental elements: eg., by deferring judgment (for the moment while your full weight isn't upon the ground) you could be less likely to twitch, hesitate further, or be fooled by a "faint" (any of which are costly in competition).
 
Well, you could measure "weight" when you add force to a object in space with 0g and no air resistance. The amount of force you need to push an object in a certain amount of time in a certain amount of length measures weight. The gravity on Earth equals 9.8 N which is the force you need to add to a object in space (no gravity) to make it accelerate in 9.8m\s^2 as we accelerate on Earth leaving out air resistance.

When you jump you could say you are weightless because you are in free fall. This is only if you define eightless as zero G's. But your gravitational weight differs from where you are, what amount of force gravity pulls you in. You inertianl weight stays the same, as it is your mass.
 

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