Keeping your immune system on its toes

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "keeping your immune system on its toes" through exposure to germs and the implications of cleanliness on immune health. Participants explore various perspectives on hygiene practices, cultural differences in exposure to allergens, and anecdotal evidence regarding illness and immunity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that exposure to germs may strengthen the immune system, citing personal experiences with minimal illness despite less stringent hygiene practices.
  • Others reference studies suggesting that cultural attitudes towards cleanliness, particularly in Eastern Europe, may correlate with lower rates of allergies in children due to earlier exposure to germs.
  • One participant mentions practices like "chicken pox parties" and allowing children to eat dirt as methods to promote immune resilience.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of antibacterial products on the balance of bacteria, with some arguing that they may lead to increased tolerance in harmful bacteria.
  • Another participant notes the importance of personal hygiene when handling food for others, indicating a distinction between personal practices and public health considerations.
  • Discussion includes historical references to immunity gained from exposure to domesticated animals and specific diseases, suggesting a complex relationship between exposure and immune response.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between cleanliness and immune health, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the potential benefits of exposure to germs, while others remain skeptical or emphasize the importance of hygiene in certain contexts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include a lack of empirical consensus on the effects of germ exposure versus cleanliness on immune health, as well as varying definitions of what constitutes adequate hygiene practices.

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Keeping your immune system "on its toes"

So, I've always lived by this philosophy of "keeping your immune system on its toes".

Is this coherent with reality? That if I expose myself to more germs, I strengthen my immune system?

I've always thought people that wrapped their babies in saran wrap were setting them up for all kinds of problems, but it's a complete high-school train of thought I've come to wonder about.
 
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I totally agree. Things that apparently are supposed to kill you don't bother me at all. For instance, I use the same dishes for at least a couple of weeks between washings (at work; W won't let me at home). I handle money, which is one of the germiest things on Earth, all day long as my job and don't even bother washing my hands any more before eating or whatever. Also, I refuse to use antibacterial soap unless there's nothing else available. It just kills the good bacteria and causes tolerance in the bad ones.
Lest anyone be terribly disgusted by all of this, let me point out that I've missed one day of work due to illness in the last 35 years.
 
There have been studies on allergy that suggest that the reason for the fact that the countries of eastern Europe has a less frequency of child allergies than the west is because their culture is not so obsessed with cleaning and that children are therefore exposed to it early on.

http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/algy/a...QQQYGxJjDQZwyydR!-362743511!181195628!8091!-1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9079207&dopt=AbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
 
Many parents let their babies eat dirt and stuff, yes.

The also have "chicken pox parties" - if some kid catches it, you throw all the kids in a room and let them all catch it - to get it over with.
 
Danger said:
...I've missed one day of work due to illness in the last 35 years.

mhm...

I'd be more interested in how many days have been missed by the people you have frequent contact with... :eek:
 
That's not my concern. They probably use antibacterial soap, so they're doomed anyway.

Anyhow, anything that I do or don't do doesn't impact anyone else. When I was tending bar, and thus handling other people's food, drinks, and utensils, I washed my hands with soap at least every 5 or 10 minutes. I also wash thoroughly if I'm cooking for someone else.
 
Without digressing too far, exposure to domesticated animals provides immunity or protection from some diseases. Cowpox provides immunity to smallpox. Grooms and stall workers were usually plague free during plague years in Europe. The rat flea cannot stand the smell of horse dander, the flea was the major vector (minor was pneumonic plague).
 

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