Kinematic viscosity confusion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of kinematic viscosity, particularly the confusion surrounding its definition and implications in fluid dynamics. Participants explore the relationship between viscosity and flow characteristics, as well as the interpretation of its units.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • DJ Storm notes that fluids with high viscosity resist flow more than those with low viscosity and questions the relationship between the area covered by different oils and their viscosities.
  • Some participants explain that viscosity is a proportionality constant relating shear stresses to velocity gradients, suggesting that the units are derived from this relationship rather than from a physical measurement of flow area.
  • There is a discussion about viscosity being tied to the ability to dissipate momentum, with requests for practical examples or analogies to clarify this concept.
  • One participant provides an analogy involving syrup and water to illustrate differences in viscosity based on flow behavior.
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the interpretation of the unit area/time in viscosity, emphasizing its role in relating momentum between fluid layers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concept of kinematic viscosity and its units. While some explanations are provided, there is no consensus on a singular, clear interpretation that resolves the initial confusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential confusion stemming from the unit of kinematic viscosity (area/time) and its implications for understanding momentum dissipation in fluid dynamics. The discussion does not resolve these confusions definitively.

DerrickStorm
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Fluids with a relatively high viscosity have a high resistance to flow. Fluids with a relatively low viscosity have very little resistance to flow.

Kinematic viscosity is measured in mm2/s. (This is area per second.)

If one "thick" oil and one "thin" oil are poured down onto a flat plane. The thinner oil covers a relatively larger area in than the thick oil does in the same amount of time.

The "thinner" oil clearly therefore covers a larger area per second. So does the thinner oil have a higher viscosity? I know this is incorrect.

How would one make sense of this given the existing unit of kinematic viscosity? Or is the example misleading? Some feedback would be most appreciated. :)

DJ Storm
 
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The important thing to note is that viscosity is effectively just a proportionality constant relating shear stresses to velocity gradients. As such, the units are derived out of necessity for the proportionality to work, not from some physically measurable quantity like how much of a surface it wets at a given rate.
 
Thanks for the reply however its not very helpful. I've read that viscosity can be described as an ability to dissipate momentum. Is there a way to tie this description to the unit in a way that makes sense practically? An example or analogy would be helpful.
 
You pour syrup down a chute and it moves slowly and seems to resist flowing down the chute. It is more viscous than water, which readily flows down the same chute.
 
DerrickStorm said:
Thanks for the reply however its not very helpful. I've read that viscosity can be described as an ability to dissipate momentum. Is there a way to tie this description to the unit in a way that makes sense practically? An example or analogy would be helpful.

Perhaps you are confused by the unit area/time in viscosity (e.g., Stokes). You are correct that viscosity is a measure of momentum dissipation. Recall also that viscosity, in one dimensional flow, is used to relate the momentum of neighboring layers of moving fluid (e.g., du/dy). The momentum diffuses normal to the direction of flow and so conceptually, the flux of momentum out of one layer into another layer is expressed as area/time.

Does that help?
 
Andy Resnick said:
Perhaps you are confused by the unit area/time in viscosity (e.g., Stokes). You are correct that viscosity is a measure of momentum dissipation. Recall also that viscosity, in one dimensional flow, is used to relate the momentum of neighboring layers of moving fluid (e.g., du/dy). The momentum diffuses NORMAL TO THE DIRECTION OF FLOW and so conceptually, the flux of momentum out of one layer into another layer is expressed as area/time.

Does that help?

Thanks Andy, once I read "normal to the direction of flow" it made complete sense.
 

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