Kinematics - centrifuging a solution with bacteria

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving the centrifugation of a solution containing bacteria. The original poster seeks to determine the time required for the bacteria to settle at the bottom of a centrifuge bottle when subjected to a relative centrifugal force of 100 xg.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the meaning of the unit "xg" and its relevance to the problem. There are attempts to relate acceleration and displacement to find the time taken for the bacteria to pellet. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the given displacement and how to apply equations of motion appropriately.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the correct equations to use for relating displacement, acceleration, and time. Some participants have provided partial calculations, while others have pointed out potential errors in reasoning or arithmetic. The discussion remains active with no clear consensus on the final answer.

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Participants are working under the assumption that friction and resistance are negligible, and there is a focus on understanding the implications of the given parameters, such as the 10 cm displacement and the acceleration due to gravity.

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Kinematics -- centrifuging a solution with bacteria

Homework Statement



In the lab, we have to separate the bacteria from the solution by centrifuging the solution with bacteria. Because the bacteria are more massive than the media molecules, they settle to the bottom of the container.
For this question, we will neglect friction or resistance from the buffer (we will see it later).
If the bacteria are spun at 100 xg, how long will it take for the bacteria to pellet to the bottom of a 10 cm centrifuge bottle?


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The Attempt at a Solution



So I know that I have to find the time (t)

I have no idea what 100 xg is--what is the unit 'xg'?

Is 10 cm relevant to the question?

If possible, can I be referred to another version of this problem or tutorial? I'm not sure what to do.
 
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100 xg should be written as ##100 \times g##, or just ## 100 g ##, where ##g## is the acceleration due to gravity at sea level.
 
So, t=?
Acceleration=100g
final velocity=10cm/s
initial velocity=0cm/s

acceleration=velocity/time
100g=10 cm/s-0cm/s / t
100g = 10 cm/s /t
t = 10 cm/s / 100 g
t=10 s
Is that right?
 
Welcome to PF;
[edit] beat me to it :)
the xg value is the "relative centrifugal force", usually written "100 x g" (a la voko) and read: "one hundred times gravity"
You'll see it in centrifuge specs all the time and it's one of the ways biologists annoy physicists who think that "100g" is clear enough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory_centrifuge

The 10cm is relevant to the question.

Basically: where do the bacteria start out?
where do they end up?
how do they get there (what are the forces)?
how long do they take?
 
Ok.

I'll assume that 10cm refers to displacement.
d1 = 0 cm
d2 = 10cm
acceleration=100 * 9.8 m/s^2
time=?

So would I use this equation?
vf=vi + a*t

but I'm not sure how that would work with displacement, as opposed to velocity?
 
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You need an equation that relates displacement with acceleration and time.
 
This equation then: d = vi*t + 1/2at^2?

10 cm=0.1m

0.1m=0m/s*t + 1/2*980m/s^2 * t^2
0.1m=1/2*980m/s^2 * t^2
0.1 m = 490 m/s^2 * t^2
0.1m/490 m/s^2 = t^2
0.1/490 s^2 = t^2
sqrt 0.1/490 = t
 
Good so far.
 
@voko What else is missing? Do I only have to simplify what I wrote?
 
  • #10
I do not see the final number for time.
 
  • #11
t = 14.3 seconds
 
  • #12
No. Not even close. Many orders of magnitude off.
 
  • #13
Magnitude means measurement, right?
 
  • #14
No.
In general: "magnitude" is a generalization of the concept of "length" as in "the magnitude of a vector"
... but in this specific case the term "order of magnitude" means "power of ten".

So if I said the answer was 5 and it was really 5000 ... I'd be three orders of magnitude off.
If I'd said the answer was 3000 ... I'd have the right order of magnitude but still the wrong answer.
(Order-of-magnitude calculations are often used for exploring an idea.)
This is different from if I'd have said the answer was 3 ... when I'd just be completely wrong.

Voko is saying you need to check your arithmetic.
 

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