Kinetic Energy of Cars: Does 4x Energy Needed for 0-20kph?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between kinetic energy and the acceleration of cars, specifically examining whether four times the energy is required to accelerate from 0 to 20 kph compared to 0 to 10 kph. Participants explore the implications of kinetic energy calculations and the factors influencing energy requirements during acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if accelerating from 0 to 20 kph requires four times the energy compared to 0 to 10 kph, suggesting a need for clarification on energy conversion processes.
  • Another participant clarifies that the relationship is quadratic, not exponential, indicating that energy increases with the square of the velocity.
  • A different participant notes the observable difference in acceleration rates at varying speeds, specifically from 30-60 kph compared to 0-30 kph.
  • Further discussion includes the role of mass in the kinetic energy formula, with a participant speculating that kinetic energy is not solely a result of velocity but also involves mass in its calculation.
  • One participant provides a derivation of the kinetic energy formula, linking it to the conservation of energy and the work done during acceleration, while noting the assumptions involved in the derivation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the energy required for acceleration, with some agreeing on the quadratic relationship while others seek clarification on the role of mass and energy conversion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these factors on kinetic energy calculations.

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Limitations include assumptions about constant force during acceleration and the specific conditions under which the kinetic energy formula applies. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of energy conversion mechanisms involved in car acceleration.

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For example if a car accelerates from 0 to 10 kph it creates 50,000 joules of kinetic energy? If a car acclerates from 0 to 20 kph it creates 200,000 joules of energy. Does this mean that four times the amount of energy is required from the cars engine to go from 0 to 20 kph instead of 0 to 10 kph? Or is this kinetic energy the result of some other type of conversion?
 
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Not exponentially, just quadratically. And the energy obviously comes from however you doubled the car's velocity (people pushing, the engine, an explosion, etc.).
 
And you'll notice this manifesting in a car accelerating from 30-60 much slower than from 0-30.
 
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Not exponentially, just quadratically. And the energy obviously comes from however you doubled the car's velocity (people pushing, the engine, an explosion, etc.).

Thanks! What I am also trying to determine is all the kinetic energy that is generated by the cars movement simply a result of the acceleration (velocity) itself. I'm guessing not otherwise mass would not be part of the formula for working out the amount of kinetic energy produced?
 
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The formula for KE comes from assuming that conservation of energy will be obeyed, so the work done to accelerate the car will be equal to its change in KE. Begin with this equation from kinematics: vf^2 - vi^2 = 2ax, where vi is initial velocity, vf is final velocity, a is acceleration, x is displacement. Multiply each term by the object's mass m. Replace ma by force F. Change the 2 on one side to a (1/2) on the other side. Replace Fx by work W. Now, if you define the term (1/2)mv^2 to be something called KE, your equation will say this: work done = final KE - initial KE. This was just derived only for the case where the force was constant over the displacement, making it legal to say work W = Fx instead of using calculus, but since conservation of energy is a general law, the expression for KE is general also.
 
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