Kinetic energy of Earth and ball system

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The discussion centers on the kinetic energy of a system comprising a ball and the Earth, questioning why it can be considered equal to that of the ball alone. It highlights that the forces acting on both the Earth and the ball are equal in magnitude, suggesting the Earth's kinetic energy is greater. However, the conversation points out that kinetic energy is frame-dependent, indicating that in a sun-centered frame, the Earth's kinetic energy dominates. To accurately assess the system's kinetic energy, one must consider a reference frame centered on the center of mass. The conclusion emphasizes the importance of relative speeds in determining the kinetic energy in different frames.
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Homework Statement


There is a system consists of a ball and the earth. Explain why you can consider the kinetic energy of the system equals to the kinetic energy of the ball.

Homework Equations


##F=-\frac{m_{1}m_{2}}{{r}^{2}}##

The Attempt at a Solution


The magnitude of the force acting on the Earth is same with it of the ball. Then the kinetic energy of the Earth should be larger than it of the ball. (??)
 
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lkijmj said:
...the kinetic energy of the Earth should be larger than it of the ball. (??)
Show explicitly that this is (or isn't) the case.
 
lkijmj said:

Homework Statement


There is a system consists of a ball and the earth. Explain why you can consider the kinetic energy of the system equals to the kinetic energy of the ball.

Homework Equations


##F=-\frac{m_{1}m_{2}}{{r}^{2}}##

The Attempt at a Solution


The magnitude of the force acting on the Earth is same with it of the ball. Then the kinetic energy of the Earth should be larger than it of the ball. (??)
The question is somewhat flawed. The KE of a system depends on the reference frame. In a reference frame centred on the sun, the Earth's KE is much the greater. You need to interpret it as being in a frame centred on the common mass centre. Given that, what can you say about the relative speeds?
 
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