L-R-C Series Circuits - Help With Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation for charge and current in an LRC series circuit, specifically the equation d²q/dt² + (R/L)dq/dt + (1/LC)q = 0. The user seeks to verify the solution form given for underdamped conditions (R² < 4L/C) by calculating the first and second derivatives of the proposed solution. A suggestion is made to simplify the process by substituting constants for R/L and 1/LC, allowing for easier handling of the differential equation. The importance of careful notation, particularly the use of 't' instead of 'x', is emphasized to avoid confusion. Overall, the user is encouraged to approach the problem with a clearer method to achieve the desired verification.
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Hello,

this is a maths problem that is related to a physics problem, but I think it's best posted here due to what I'm asking about.

1. Homework Statement


\frac{d^{2}q}{dt^{2}} + \frac{R}{L} \frac{dq}{dt} + \frac{1}{LC}q = 0 is a differential equation describing how charge and current change with time in an LRC series circuit (found via Kirchoff's loop rule).

It is stated that when R^{2} &lt; \frac{4L}{C} the solution has the form q = Ae^{-(\frac{R}{2L})t}cos(\sqrt{(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t)} + \phi)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



What I would like to do is verify this, by finding the first and second derivative and substituting them into the original equation.

q = f(x)g(x) where f(x) = Ae^{-(\frac{R}{2L})t} and g(x) = cos(\sqrt{(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t)} + \phi)

\frac{dq}{dt} = f(x)g&#039;(x) + g(x)f&#039;(x)

f&#039;(x) = - \frac{R}{2L}Ae^{-\frac{R}{2L}t}

g&#039;(x) = - \frac{R^{2} \sin(\sqrt{(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t} + \phi))}{8L^{2} \sqrt{\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t}}

\frac{dq}{dt} = Ae^{-(\frac{R}{2L})t} (-\frac{R^{2} \sin{\sqrt{\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t}+ \phi}}{8L^{2} \sqrt{\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t}})+ cos(\sqrt{(\frac{1}{LC} - \frac{R^{2}}{4L^{2}}t)} + \phi) (- \frac{R}{2L}Ae^{-\frac{R}{2L}t})

I would then need to use the quotient rule and the product rule again, meaning I'm going to collect even more terms. Am I going about doing this in the correct manner? I assume everything is meant to cancel at the end, but this seems somewhat absurd...

I don't expect anyone to check my work, but I would greatly appreciate someone confirming or denying my method.

Thanks!
 
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I'm glad you don't expect anyone to check your work. For one thing, probably everywhere you have an ##x## it should be a ##t##. What I would do if I were you is call ##a = \frac R L## and ##b = \frac 1 {LC}## and just solve the DE ##q'' + aq' +bq = 0##. It's just a constant coefficient equation and you can take the case where the roots are complex conjugate. That's probably the reason for ##R^2<\frac{4L} C##. Put the constants in at the end. It should be easy.
 
In your first equation q = ... and elsewhere, shouldn't the t be outsid the ) bracket?
 
epenguin said:
In your first equation q = ... and elsewhere, shouldn't the t be outsid the ) bracket?
Right!
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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