Lagrange equation of second kind - find solution's constant?

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The discussion centers on solving the Lagrange equation of the second kind for a pendulum system with a mass m and length l, where the pendulum's pivot moves in a sinusoidal manner described by the equation ξ = A sin(Ωt). The derived Lagrangian is L = (m/2)(Ω²A²cos²(Ωt) + 2ΩAl(dφ/dt)cos(Ωt)cos(φ) + (dφ/dt)²l² + 2glcos(φ). The solution for φ(t) is given as φ(t) = Ccos(√(g/l)t) + Dsin(√(g/l)t) + (Ω²A²/(g-lΩ²))sin(Ωt), with the constant C determined to be 0. The challenge remains in determining the constant D, which requires additional initial conditions.

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Homework Statement


This could be a more general question about pendulums but I'll show it on an example.

We have a small body (mass m) hanging from a pendulum of length l.
The point where pendulum is hanged moves like this:
\xi = A\sin\Omega t, where A, \Omega = const. We have to find motion of the body. The force acting on the body is F = (0, -mg).

Homework Equations


Lagrange's equation of second kind for a generalized coordinate \varphi:
\frac{d}{dt}(\frac{dL}{d\varphi'}) - \frac{dL}{d\varphi} = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


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So, after making angle \varphi a generalized coordinate, we have:
x = A\sin \Omega t + lsin \varphi, \ \ y = -lcos\varphi.

After calculations, Lagrangian is: L = \frac{m}{2}\Big( \Omega^2 A^2 \cos^2 \Omega t + 2\Omega A l \frac{d\varphi}{dt}\cos \Omega t \cos \varphi + (\frac{d \varphi}{dt})^2l^2 + 2gl\cos \varphi \Big).

Lagrange's equation of second kind gives:
\frac{d}{dt}(\frac{dL}{d\varphi'}) - \frac{dL}{d\varphi} = 0
(where \varphi' = \frac{d\varphi}{dt}).

After calculations:
\varphi'' l + g\varphi = \Omega A^2 sin \Omega t

Solving it gives:

\varphi(t) = C\cos (\sqrt{\frac{g}{l}}t) + D\sin (\sqrt{\frac{g}{l}}t) + \frac{\Omega^2 A^2}{g-l\Omega^2}\sin \Omega t, where C, D are constants.

Initial conditions x(t=0)=0, \ \ y(t=0) = -l both yield the same:
C = 0

But how to find the D constant?
The only other information given is that we can assume \sin \varphi = \varphi and cos\varphi = 1[/itex] (Which I&#039;ve already used to solve the differential equation$. There is no other information given.<br /> <br /> Thank you for your answers.
 
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I believe you are overlooking an initial condition for ##\varphi'## which is related to the initial condition on ##x'##.

Also, check your coefficients of ##\sin \Omega t## in your differential equation of motion and in your solution. The coefficients don't have the correct dimensions.
 

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