Lagrangian of Pendulum with Oscillating Hinge

Click For Summary
The discussion focuses on deriving the Lagrangian for a pendulum with an oscillating hinge defined by the function y_0=f(t). The Lagrangian is expressed as a combination of kinetic and potential energy, with the kinetic energy incorporating terms related to the oscillating hinge. The challenge lies in modifying the Lagrangian using a gauge transformation to account for a time-varying gravitational field, leading to a new Lagrangian form. Participants suggest constructing an appropriate function F(θ,t) to simplify the terms and achieve the desired potential energy representation. Ultimately, the solution involves recognizing how to integrate certain terms to facilitate the gauge transformation effectively.
Xyius
Messages
501
Reaction score
4
1.) The Problem Statement:

a.) Find the Lagrangian of a pendulum where the height of the hinge is oscillating in the y direction and is is defined as a function ##y_0=f(t)##

b.) Add a function (a gauge transformation) of the form ##\frac{d F(\theta,t)}{dt}## to the original lagrangian ##\mathcal{L}## to obtain a new lagrangian ##\mathcal{L}'=T'-V'## where ##T'## is the "usual kinetic energy of a pendulum" and ##V'## is the potential of a time varying gravitational field. Compare their Hamiltonians

2.) Relevant Equations

Lagranges equations

3.) Attempt at a Solution
Part a I got. The Lagrangian I got is the following. (I can go into more detail about how I got this if required)

\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2}m\left( l^2 \dot{\theta}^2 + \dot{y}^2_0(t) + 2 \dot{y}_0(t)l \dot{\theta} \sin\theta \right) - mg \dot{y}_0(t)+mgl\cos\theta

I know this answer is correct because for when ##y_0(t)=a\cos\omega t## it yields the equation of motion that is the same as the result in the text with a function of this form.

Part b is where I am stuck. When I see "potential of a time varying gravitational field," I think something of the form ##m g(t) y##. The only idea I can come up with is to write the function ##\frac{dF}{dt}## in a form that cancels out most of the terms of the original Lagrangian, but only keeps the kinetic term, ##\frac{1}{2}l^2\dot{\theta}^2## and other terms so that I can write the potential in the form I desire. But I cannot seem to make any headway with this, and I am very iffy on if this approach is correct or not. I think I understand the premise of the problem, instead of viewing the pendulum to have an oscillating hinge, instead cast the problem as a normal pendulum in an oscillating gravitational field. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions??
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Xyius said:
The only idea I can come up with is to write the function ##\frac{dF}{dt}## in a form that cancels out most of the terms of the original Lagrangian, but only keeps the kinetic term, ##\frac{1}{2}l^2\dot{\theta}^2## and other terms so that I can write the potential in the form I desire.

I think you have the right idea. You just need to play around with constructing the appropriate function F(θ,t). Take it one term at a time. For example, it is easy to construct a term in F such that dF/dt yields a term of the form ##mg\dot{y}_0##.
 
I made a typo in my original post, the one term at the end of the lagrangian should be ##mg y_0## not ##mg \dot{y_0}##.

I figured it out! I was correct in my reasoning as you pointed out, but the trick was to realize that part of the integral of the third term can be written in the form ##-ml \dot{y_0(t)}\cos\theta.## So you can re-write it in terms of it's integral and cancel out the extra terms by the gauge transformation.
 

Similar threads

Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
Replies
9
Views
4K
Replies
1
Views
2K