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Do you think that Laika sacrifice was worthy in the name of "space conquest" ?
Poor little dog. It was a very cruel death.Cyrus said:Its just a dog...
But other humans have and always will. Same for animals. We all die, some die needlessly, some die when they're due for death (i.e. fulfilled), and well, of the pointless deaths, at least some might be made useful. I know that sounds insensitive but at the end of the day, nature doesn't give a damn either.Poop-Loops said:Let me posit two questions:
Do you care about other humans dying for your own progress?
I'll assume "yes", since you don't seem like a psychopath, so I'll ask what separates them from other animals?
Mk said:I personally think this topic is quite silly. Cyrus says it well.
That's all I have to say
Cyrus said:Lots of animals die all the time in medical testing. I am not worried about them either, because it makes my life and other animals lives better.
Lots of animals die all the time in medical testing. I am not worried about them either, because it makes my life and other animals lives better.
Curvation said:Cyrus as you probably understand it is not the same to do medical tests at ''non-conscious'' animals and not the same to experiment at a theoretical ''conscious'' animal.
Was it? Didn't it just asphyxiate?Evo said:Poor little dog. It was a very cruel death.
Ask your dog. His answer will be more relevant than mine...Poop-Loops said:Let me posit two questions:
Do you care about other humans dying for your own progress?
I'll assume "yes", since you don't seem like a psychopath, so I'll ask what separates them from other animals?
Yes, in that sense we're not any different. Which, of course, means it is ok to kill other animals*. It's a catch-22, sure, but it's one we get to view from the outside of the oven. We alone are capable of choosing to discard our nature. On this issue, I choose not to.hypatia said:Sadly, in a way, yes Evo. Our capacity to kill, and kill in great numbers, has put us on the top of the food chain. Not that its right, but we are not so different then other animals, in the sense of eat or be eaten. We will do what ever it takes to improve our abilities in war, and science.
russ_watters said:Was it? Didn't it just asphyxiate?
All resources of life- support system were designed for 7 days of flight. The analysis of the data of the parameters of the environment of the cabin has shown, that the content of oxygen during flight was sufficient. The fact, that pressure in the cabin was not reduced, proved its reliable tightness. It was very important, as the satellite passed through areas of meteoric flows. Normalization of parameters of breath and blood circulation of Layka during orbital flight has allowed to make a conclusion, that the long weightlessness does not cause essential changes in a status of animal organisms. During flight the gradual increase of temperature and humidity in the cabin was registered via telemetric channels. Approximately in 5 - 7 hours of flight there was a failure of telemetry system. It was not possible to detect a status of the dog since the fourth circuit. During the ground simulation of this flight's conditions, the conclusion was made, that Layka should be lost because of overheating on 3d or 4-th circuit of flight. It turned out that it was practically impossible to create a reliable temperature control system in such limited time constraints.
The Laika sacrifice refers to the first animal to be sent into orbit as part of the Sputnik 2 mission by the Soviet Union on November 3, 1957. Laika was a stray dog from the streets of Moscow and was chosen to test the effects of space travel on living organisms.
Laika was chosen because she was a stray dog who had already endured harsh conditions on the streets of Moscow, making her more likely to withstand the rigors of space travel. Additionally, she was small enough to fit into the spacecraft and had a calm temperament.
During the mission, Laika was exposed to high levels of G-forces and extreme temperatures. She also had to endure the confinement of the small spacecraft. Unfortunately, she died within hours of the launch due to overheating and stress.
The main scientific goal of the Sputnik 2 mission was to test the effects of space travel on living organisms. This included monitoring Laika's vital signs, behavior, and overall well-being to gather data on the effects of microgravity and radiation on animals.
The Laika sacrifice and Sputnik 2 mission marked a significant milestone in space exploration as it was the first time a living being was sent into orbit. This paved the way for future space missions and helped scientists gain a better understanding of the effects of space travel on living organisms. However, the controversial use of animals in space exploration sparked ethical debates and led to advancements in animal welfare laws.