Laplace Transform of Heaviside Function

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the Laplace transform of a piecewise function defined as f(t) = sin(t) for 0 <= t < π and f(t) = 0 for t >= π. Participants are exploring how to express this function using the Heaviside step function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to correctly express the branched function using the Heaviside function, with some questioning the validity of their expressions. There are attempts to clarify the function's behavior over the specified intervals and to understand the implications of using the Heaviside function in this context.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various interpretations of the function and its representation. Some participants have provided guidance on using the basic definition of the Laplace transform, while others are still grappling with how to write the function appropriately. There is no explicit consensus, but productive suggestions have been made regarding the use of the Heaviside function.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion about writing the function in terms of the unit step function and how to approach the Laplace transform given the piecewise nature of the function. There is also mention of the integral converging to zero for certain intervals, which influences the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Determine the Laplace transform of the given function:
[itex]f(t) = sin(t)[/itex] for [itex]0 <= t < \pi[/itex] and [itex]f(t) = 0[/itex] for [itex]\pi <= t[/itex]

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The Attempt at a Solution


Ok, I've been having some trouble figuring out how I should write the above branched function (sorry for the format, I'm not sure how to write branched function in latex). This is what I have the function as right now:
[itex]f(t) = (1-\sin t)u_{\pi}(t)[/itex]. I can visualize what the graph of the above function should look like, but I sometimes have trouble actually writing it. I was hoping somebody could confirm whether or not this is correct, once I have the function figured out I suspect the rest of the problem probably won't be too difficult.
 
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The question is merely asking you to compute ##L\{f(t)\}## for ##0 \leq t \leq \pi##.

The reason being, the other part of the integral converges to zero. That is:

$$\int_{\pi}^{\infty} f(t) e^{-st} \space dt = \int_{\pi}^{\infty} 0 \space dt = 0$$
 
_N3WTON_ said:

Homework Statement


Determine the Laplace transform of the given function:
[itex]f(t) = sin(t)[/itex] for [itex]0 <= t < \pi[/itex] and [itex]f(t) = 0[/itex] for [itex]\pi <= t[/itex]

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The Attempt at a Solution


Ok, I've been having some trouble figuring out how I should write the above branched function (sorry for the format, I'm not sure how to write branched function in latex). This is what I have the function as right now:
[itex]f(t) = (1-\sin t)u_{\pi}(t)[/itex]. I can visualize what the graph of the above function should look like, but I sometimes have trouble actually writing it. I was hoping somebody could confirm whether or not this is correct, once I have the function figured out I suspect the rest of the problem probably won't be too difficult.

By trying to exploit fancy methods involving the Heaviside function, etc., you are only going to make a lot of unnecessary work for yourself. It is much more direct to just use the basic definition of the Laplace transform and apply it to your function.

Anyway, in answer to your question: NO, the formula above is incorrect. You can see that for yourself, just by asking yourself what you get for ## 0 < t < \pi ## and for ## t > \pi ##.
 
Ray Vickson said:
By trying to exploit fancy methods involving the Heaviside function, etc., you are only going to make a lot of unnecessary work for yourself. It is much more direct to just use the basic definition of the Laplace transform and apply it to your function.
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I understand, but my issue is I am having trouble seeing what the function is, therefore I do not know what I am taking the Laplace transform of. The reason I arrived at my first solution was because the branched function [itex]f(t) = 1[/itex] for t<c and [itex]f(t) = 0[/itex] for t>=c is [itex]1 - u_{c}(t)[/itex] yes? I tried doing something similar with the above problem. I was thinking perhaps [itex]f(t) = sin(t) - u_{\pi}(t)[/itex]?
 
_N3WTON_ said:
I understand, but my issue is I am having trouble seeing what the function is, therefore I do not know what I am taking the Laplace transform of. The reason I arrived at my first solution was because the branched function [itex]f(t) = 1[/itex] for t<c and [itex]f(t) = 0[/itex] for t>=c is [itex]1 - u_{c}(t)[/itex] yes? I tried doing something similar with the above problem. I was thinking perhaps [itex]f(t) = sin(t) - u_{\pi}(t)[/itex]?

You said ##f(t) = \sin(t)## if ##0 \leq t < \pi##, and ## f(t) = 0## if ##t \geq \pi##. I honestly cannot see what possible problem you can have interpreting and plotting that. You are told exactly what is ##f(t)## for ## t \in [0,\pi) ## and you are told exactly what is ##f(t)## for ##t \geq \pi##.

Of course, when taking the LT we ignore the part ##t < 0##; alternatively, you could take ##f(t) = 0## for ##t < 0##.
 
Ray Vickson said:
You said ##f(t) = \sin(t)## if ##0 \leq t < \pi##, and ## f(t) = 0## if ##t \geq \pi##. I honestly cannot see what possible problem you can have interpreting and plotting that. You are told exactly what is ##f(t)## for ## t \in [0,\pi) ## and you are told exactly what is ##f(t)## for ##t \geq \pi##.

Of course, when taking the LT we ignore the part ##t < 0##; alternatively, you could take ##f(t) = 0## for ##t < 0##.
I'm not having a problem interpreting/plotting the function, what I am having a problem with is writing it using the unit step function...
 
Edit: I see now how stupid my questions have been, sorry :/ lol
 
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Anyhow, here is the solution I have so far:
[itex]\mathcal{L}(f(t))= \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-st}f(t)\,dt[/itex]
[itex]= \int_{0}^{\pi} e^{-st}\sin t\,dt + \int_{\pi}^{\infty} e^{-st}(0)\,dt[/itex]
[itex]\frac{e^{-st}}{s^{2}+1}[-s\sin t + \cos t]\bigr|_{0}^{\pi}[/itex]
[itex](\frac{e^{-st}}{s^{2}+1}[-s\sin \pi + \cos \pi]) - (\frac{1}{s^{2}+1}[-s \sin 0 + \cos 0])[/itex]
[itex]= \frac{e^{-\pi s}+1}{s^{2}+1}[/itex]
 
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_N3WTON_ said:
Anyhow, here is the solution I have so far:
[itex]\mathcal{L}(f(t))= \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-st}f(t)\,dt[/itex]
[itex]= \int_{0}^{\pi} e^{-st}\sin t\,dt + \int_{\pi}^{\infty} e^{-st}(0)\,dt[/itex]
[itex]\frac{e^{-st}}{s^{2}+1}[-s\sin t + \cos t]\bigr|_{0}^{\pi}[/itex]
[itex](\frac{e^{-st}}{s^{2}+1}[-s\sin \pi + \cos \pi]) - (\frac{1}{s^{2}+1}[-s \sin 0 + \cos 0])[/itex]
[itex]= \frac{e^{-\pi s}+1}{s^{2}+1}[/itex]

I have not checked all the details, but it looks OK at a glance.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
I have not checked all the details, but it looks OK at a glance.
great, thanks for the help sorry if I was being difficult earlier, I think I was getting hung up on a topic that didn't really even apply to this specific problem...
 
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_N3WTON_ said:
I understand, but my issue is I am having trouble seeing what the function is, therefore I do not know what I am taking the Laplace transform of. The reason I arrived at my first solution was because the branched function [itex]f(t) = 1[/itex] for t<c and [itex]f(t) = 0[/itex] for t>=c is [itex]1 - u_{c}(t)[/itex] yes? I tried doing something similar with the above problem. I was thinking perhaps [itex]f(t) = sin(t) - u_{\pi}(t)[/itex]?
If you want to do it this way, you want to multiply ##\sin t## by ##[1-u_\pi(t)]##. The factor ##[1-u_\pi(t)]## picks off only the first half-cycle of ##\sin t##.
 
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vela said:
If you want to do it this way, you want to multiply ##\sin t## by ##[1-u_\pi(t)]##. The factor ##[1-u_\pi(t)]## picks off only the first half-cycle of ##\sin t##.
Thank you, I originally wanted to do it that way just because I wanted some practice writing branched functions in terms of the unit step function..
 

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