Laser Incident to Surface Perpendicularly

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light reflecting off a surface with a higher index of refraction when the light is incident perpendicularly. Participants explore the formation of standing waves, the nature of traveling waves, and the implications of reflection and transmission of energy at the interface.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the scenario of shining a laser perpendicularly onto a surface with a reflection coefficient of 0.7, questioning the physical interpretation of the resulting standing wave pattern.
  • Another participant confirms that the equation for the electric field can be expressed as a combination of a traveling wave and a standing wave, suggesting that some energy is transmitted into the surface while the rest is stored in the standing wave.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of obtaining an interference pattern in a vacuum, with one participant affirming that light can travel in a vacuum.
  • Participants engage in rewriting the electric field equation to clarify the components of traveling and standing waves, with some expressing difficulty in visualizing the combined wave behavior.
  • One participant attempts to simplify the equation further to highlight the contributions of each wave type, but acknowledges their own challenges in visualizing the effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the nature of standing and traveling waves, with some confusion remaining about how these components interact. There is no consensus on the visualization of the combined wave behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical forms and transformations of the electric field equation, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the physical interpretation of the standing wave in this context and the implications of varying the reflection coefficient.

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Hello I have a question regarding reflected light from a surface of higher index of refraction.

Suppose I have a ideal laser, and an ideal surface with reflection coefficient 0.7 or something like that.

Say I shine my laser directly perpendicular to the surface (at 90 degrees).

I understand some light will go through, but the reflected light will have a 180 degree phase change, and be traveling opposite to the incoming light.

This screams standing wave pattern, but I do not understand the physical interpretation of this.

I get how a standing wave can be formed in a mirror cavity, but in the present situation where I just have light reflecting from a surface, what happens? I know the equation for my electric field will look something like

E = sin(x - wt) + 0.7 sin(x + wt) assuming that k = 1, E0 = 1

And the result of this is a standing wave. In this case, some energy is transmitted into the surface, and the rest is stored in the standing wave?

I understand seeing the reflected light in this case is impossible because it would mean blocking the incoming light, so seeing reflected light is only possible when light is shined at an angle other than 90 degrees.

Actually, plotting the above function in ROOT and making it a histogram, and watching the projections of y (in watching what happens with the wave as time goes on). I see that the wave actually moves, but very slowly? While still modulating amplitude...

I just want to understand what happens in the case of normal incidence because I clearly have two waves traveling in opposite directions with same frequency.
 
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yklin_tux said:
E = sin(x - wt) + 0.7 sin(x + wt) assuming that k = 1, E0 = 1
The result is a combination of a traveling wave + a standing wave. To see this, you can rewrite that equation as

E = 0.3sin(x-wt) + 0.7[sin(x - wt) + sin(x + wt)],​

which shows explicitly the traveling wave and standing wave components.

And the result of this is a standing wave. In this case, some energy is transmitted into the surface, and the rest is stored in the standing wave?
Some of the energy is in the wave (standing and traveling components), some is transmitted through the mirror.

Actually, plotting the above function in ROOT and making it a histogram, and watching the projections of y (in watching what happens with the wave as time goes on). I see that the wave actually moves, but very slowly? While still modulating amplitude...
I'm unable to imagine how to visualize the effect myself, but your simulation is probably correct. Perhaps you could try varying the reflectance of 0.7 ... try something really small (0.1?) and something closer to 100%, perhaps 0.9 or 0.95.

asdofindia said:
Can we obtain an interference pattern in vacuum?
Yes. Light travels in a vacuum, so that is no problem.
 
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Redbelly98 said:
The result is a combination of a traveling wave + a standing wave. To see this, you can rewrite that equation as

E = 0.3sin(x-wt) + 0.7[sin(x - wt) + sin(x + wt)],​

which shows explicitly the traveling wave and standing wave components.

When you say a traveling and standing wave, what does that mean? That there is some standing wave pattern which is itself moving? I guess this is the part I do not get...
 
No, I mean there is a standing wave (which does not move to the left or right), as well as a traveling wave moving to the right. Can you identify which terms in my equation represent the traveling wave, and which represent the standing wave?

E = 0.3sin(x-wt) + 0.7[sin(x - wt) + sin(x + wt)]​

Mind you, I myself am not able to visualize this combined wave, I am just looking at the math terms in the equation.
 
E = 0.3sin(x-wt) + 0.7[sin(x - wt) + sin(x + wt)],
= 0.3 sin(x-wt) + 0.7[(sin x cos wt - sin wt cos x) + (sin x cos wt + sin wt cos x)]
= 0.3 sin(x-wt) + 0.7[(sin x cos wt )+ (sin x cos wt )]
= 0.3 sin(x-wt) + 0.7[2(sin x cos wt )]
= 0.3 sin(x-wt) + 1.4 (sin x) (cos wt)
= the traveling wave + the standing wave
 

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