Last Three Digits of Complex Number Sum and Product Equations

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The discussion revolves around finding the last three digits of the expression $u^4+v^4+x^4+y^4+4uvxy$, given certain conditions on the complex numbers $u, v, x, y$. Participants explore various methods to approach the problem, including algebraic manipulations and Newton's identities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method using Newton's identities to derive the quartic equation based on the sums of powers of the roots, leading to a calculation of $s_4$ and ultimately the last three digits of the desired expression.
  • Another participant mentions a brute force approach, suggesting a division of the expression and manipulation of the remainder to find the necessary substitutions.
  • There are references to the values of $s_1$, $s_2$, and $s_3$ calculated from the given conditions, with one participant providing specific numerical results for these sums.
  • Participants express uncertainty about language proficiency, with one participant humorously acknowledging their use of an online translator.

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There is no clear consensus on a single method or solution, as participants propose different approaches and calculations. The discussion remains exploratory with multiple viewpoints presented.

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Some calculations presented by participants involve complex algebraic manipulations that may depend on specific assumptions or interpretations of the problem, which are not fully resolved within the discussion.

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Let $u,v,x,y$ be complex numbers satisfying

$u+v+x+y=42$,

$uv+ux+uy+vx+vy+xy=2013$,

$u^3+v^3+x^3+y^3+uvx+uvy+uxy+vxy=1337$.

Find the last three digits of $u^4+v^4+x^4+y^4+4uvxy$.
 
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anemone said:
Let $u,v,x,y$ be complex numbers satisfying

$u+v+x+y=42$,

$uv+ux+uy+vx+vy+xy=2013$,

$u^3+v^3+x^3+y^3+uvx+uvy+uxy+vxy=1337$.

Find the last three digits of $u^4+v^4+x^4+y^4+4uvxy$.

Hello.

Puff. :p

u^4+v^4+x^4+y^4+4uvxy=

u^3+v^3+x^3+y^3+uvx+uvy+uxy+vxy-

\dfrac{(uv+ux+uy+vx+vy+xy)(u^2+v^2+x^2+y^2)}{u+v+x+y}=

=42*1337-42 \dfrac{2013(42^2-2*2013)}{42}=4609560

Regards.
 
mente oscura said:
Hello.

Puff. :p

u^4+v^4+x^4+y^4+4uvxy=

u^3+v^3+x^3+y^3+uvx+uvy+uxy+vxy-

\dfrac{(uv+ux+uy+vx+vy+xy)(u^2+v^2+x^2+y^2)}{u+v+x+y}=

=42*1337-42 \dfrac{2013(42^2-2*2013)}{42}=4609560

Regards.

Hello mente oscura,

Thanks for participating and your answer is correct.(Clapping)

My method, I believe, is more or less the same as yours.

My solution:

Let $u, v, x, y$ be the roots of a quartic function and $s_n$ represents the sum of the nth powers of those roots. We are asked to evaluate $s_4-uvxy$.

We see that what we have now are
[TABLE="class: grid, width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD]$s_1$[/TD]
[TD]$s_1=42$,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$s_2$[/TD]
[TD]$(u+v+x+y)^2=u^2+v^2+x^2+y^2+2(uv+ux+uy+vx+vy+xy)$

$s_1^2=s_2+2(uv+ux+uy+vx+vy+xy)$

$s_2=s_1^2-2(uv+ux+uy+vx+vy+xy)$

$s_2=42^2-2(2013)=-2262$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]$s_3$[/TD]
[TD]$\tiny(u+v+x+y)^3=u^3+v^3+x^3+y^3+6(uvx+uvy+uxy+vxy)+3((u+v+x+y)(u^2+v^2+x^2+y^2)-(u^3+v^3+x^3+y^3))$

$s_1^3=s_3+6(1337-s_3)+3((s_1)(s_2)-(s_3))$

$s_3=\dfrac{6(1337)+3(s_1)(s_2)-s_1^3}{8}=-43884.75$
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

By applying the values that we have gotten above into the Newton identities gives the quartic equation $f(a)=a^4-42a^3+2013a^2-45221.75a+\text{product of roots}=a^4-42a^3+2013a^2-45221.75a+uvxy$.

By using the Newton Identities again, we get

$s_4(1)+(-42)(s_3)+2013(s_2)+(-45221.75)(s_1)+4uvxy=0$

$s_4+4uvxy=42(s_3)-2013(s_2)+(45221.75)(s_1)$

$s_4+4uvxy=42(-43884.75)-2013(-2262)+(45221.75)(42)=4609560$

Therefore the last three digits of $u^4+v^4+x^4+y^4+uvxy$ is 560.
 
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Hello.

My method is: brute force. :mad: (Muscle)

I realized the division:

\dfrac{u^4+v^4+x^4+y^4}{u+v+x+y}=u^3+v^3+x^3+y^3+uvx+uvy+uxy+vxy+R

Being "R" the rest.

I grouped the terms of the rest:

R=-(uv+ux+uy+vx+vy+xy)(u^2+v^2+x^2+y^2)

For being:

u^2+v^2+x^2+y^2=(u+v+x+y)^2-2(uv+ux+uy+vx+vy+xy).

And I realized the necessary substitutions.

Pardon for my use of the language Englishman. How, I do not know it, I use a "on-line" translator and, already we know " the translations that it realizes ".(Rofl)

Regards.
 
mente oscura said:
Pardon for my use of the language Englishman.

Your English is definitely better than my Spanish.
 

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