Learn How to Calculate Fill Time in Compressible Flow | Pressure Velocity Help

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The discussion revolves around calculating the fill time for a 1m³ box using compressible flow principles, specifically focusing on laminar flow through a pipe with a specified diameter and pressure. Participants are exploring the implications of the given pressure and the necessary calculations involved.

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  • Participants are questioning whether the pressure provided is absolute or gauge, noting that this distinction is significant for the calculations. There are also discussions about unit conversions and the validity of the equations used, particularly regarding the velocity and mass flow rate.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing constructive feedback on the original poster's attempts. There is recognition of the need for additional information to fully resolve the problem, and various interpretations of the equations are being explored.

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Participants have noted potential issues with the provided units and the adequacy of the information in the problem statement for reaching a solution. There is an acknowledgment that further external resources may be necessary to clarify the concepts involved.

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Hello, I've got this questions and I just cannot solve it.

Assuming laminar in compressible flow. How long would it take to fill up a 1m^3 box from a pipe 15mm in diameter at 1.5 bar of pressure?

I would really appreciate it if someone could solve for me, show and explain the working because I'm completely lost. Thank you.

So far this is what I have got, this is not my strong area this so please excuse me if its complete rubbish!
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It's not clear to me whether the given pressure is absolute or gauge pressure. Makes a big difference.
In your answer for v you have the wrong units, and later you have the wrong units for the mass flow rate.
Other than that, what you did looks right.
 
Overall not a great attempt then haha. Like I said, this is not my area, trying to use maths I've not been near in 2/3 years. Thanks for the heads up though, Ill go back through it and try again.
 
It was a good effort - the basic reasoning was fine. The units provide a clue for troubleshooting is all.
ie. You have density of water D as 1000 ... that would be 1000g/L which is 1g/cm^3 or 10000kg/m^3 and you wanted velocity to come out in units of m/s.
P in the same equation is in units of Pa = N/m^2 = kg/(m.s^2) ... see how the units of mass don't go away? So you cannot get a volume flow rate from ##v=\sqrt{2P+D}## unless something special has happened. Where did you get it from?

I also don't think there is enough information provided in the problem statement to solve it ... you'll have to go outside the problem for extra information.

Have you seen:
See: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/pfric.html
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/127760/calculation-of-pressure-from-flow-rate-of-water
 
Simon Bridge said:
√2P+Dv=2P+Dv=\sqrt{2P+D}
I agree it is hard to read, but I believe it is a division sign, ##\div##
 
Oh it's supposed to be: $$v = \sqrt{\frac{2P}{D}}$$ ... that works out yeah.
 

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