Leaving grad school at this time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the considerations and options for a participant contemplating leaving graduate school in mathematics. It explores the emotional and practical implications of continuing versus leaving, as well as potential pathways to obtaining a master's degree.

Discussion Character

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • The participant expresses uncertainty about continuing in a graduate program that lacks applied research opportunities and feels a growing desire to leave.
  • Two main options are proposed: continuing for another year while applying to a master's program or leaving to pursue part-time studies without financial support.
  • Some participants suggest verifying the possibility of obtaining a master's degree after completing the first year of the PhD program, despite it being uncommon at the participant's institution.
  • Concerns are raised about the risks associated with leaving the program, particularly regarding job prospects and the likelihood of completing a degree in the future.
  • There is a suggestion that many schools may allow students to exit a PhD program with a master's degree, which the participant should investigate further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best course of action, with some advocating for staying in the program to potentially earn a master's degree, while others caution against the risks of leaving without a clear plan.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects uncertainties regarding institutional policies on master's degrees and the implications of leaving a graduate program. There are also concerns about job market conditions and the feasibility of transitioning to a different field.

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I have frequented these forums many times, but this is my first post. I am looking for advice, antidotes, or just suggestions on leaving graduate school in math (or any subject for that matter).

Just a little about me: I majored in mathematics at an engineering school, but instead of taking advantage of that, I focused on mainly pure math. I was sure when I was a freshman that I wanted do research in a pure math subject. I got into a grad school that does very little applied research (there are not even any analyst around) with a teaching assistantship. I just finished my first year, and I really don't want to go back.

My first year: I am not sure what happened. When the school year started, I started to have the feeling that I really didn't want to study the material anymore. But, nevertheless, I forced myself to study quite a lot, almost compulsively. I learned a great deal, but, ultimately, I started thinking more and more about leaving grad school.

Now that we are in the middle of summer, I am desperately trying to figure out a way in which to not go back that makes sense. I started studying programming and applied to many jobs. But, it seems that moving away from the theoretical into something that will reasonably support myself will take more than a summer. With that said, I think my best option is an employable masters degree in a subject that is interesting, but of course, I would have to wait until at least next year because deadlines for applications have all passed.

To me there are two options (and if you know of others I would really really appreciate the suggestion). These options are:

1) Go back for one more year, but apply to some type of masters program for the next year. The benefit of this option is that I have a small but steady income from my teaching assistantship. The downside is that I have to mainly focus on math and I can't investigate other course work that would prepare me for a masters program.

2) Don't go back, live at home and pay to go to school part time as a continuing education student at a university close to where I live. This is is an attractive option because of the academic freedom but I will not have any money unless I find a decent job. Then apply to a masters program.

I know that some would say 1 is a better option because I am possibly a year away from a masters degree in math, but my university doesn't have the option of obtaining a terminal masters degrees as a get out package. No one has ever done it.

Am I missing something? Or is this a pretty bad situation to be in especially while the job market is the way it is? Needless to say, It seems very unlikely that I would find a decent job right now.

Any help would be really appreciated.
 
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Do you know for sure that the masters route through option 1 is not available to you? I.e. have you actually spoken to anyone who has told you definitively that you will not be able to obtain a masters degree at the end of next year? Just because no one has ever done it doesn't mean that you can't.
 
Cristo,

You're right, I should talk to someone first. But, I am worried about the process because I would be the first person to do it. In my experience, things like this will not be presented as a guarantee but as a maybe: "if you do this, this, and this, then maybe there is a chance that we can award you a masters." But, I will try to figure out the exact details if I can. Thanks.
 
A lot of schools do not allow you to apply for a terminal masters, but they may allow you to leave a PhD program with a masters.

You should definitely check out this option.
 
Agree with G01 - why not just stay in the program till you've earned your masters and then bail? Do you not acquire one in the process?

The second plan sounds like a recipe for ending up in a crappy job you hate and a degree that'll never get finished. Just my opinion.
 

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