LEDs not as awesome as presumed

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The discussion revolves around the brightness and performance of 'super bright' LEDs purchased for use as a night light. Participants explore the specifications, current limitations, and factors affecting perceived brightness, including lensing and emission patterns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the LEDs are current devices and emphasizes the importance of limiting current to achieve the specified forward voltage of 3.4V.
  • Another participant mentions using a resistor and a current source to limit current, questioning if they misunderstood the operation of the current source.
  • A participant suggests that the perceived brightness may be influenced by the lens and emission pattern of the LED compared to flashlights.
  • There is a discussion about the effectiveness of using a diffusing cover to spread the light and potentially enhance room illumination.
  • One participant shares their experience with a different LED flashlight, noting it is significantly brighter and likely driven at a higher current.
  • Concerns are raised about whether a single LED, even at 75mA, can adequately light a room.

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Participants express differing views on the brightness of the LEDs and the factors influencing it, with no consensus on whether the current setup is adequate for room lighting.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of a single LED in terms of room illumination and the role of lensing and emission patterns, but do not resolve the effectiveness of various configurations.

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I bought some 'super bright' LEDs from sparkfun:

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8861

I got the green one, the red one, and the blue one. Guys in the comments are saying, "Wow these things light up a whole room at 75mA!" So I bought them to make a night light.

I checked out the datasheet. Max current is 75mA. Forward voltage is 3.4V. I plugged it directly into a current source (my power supply) to test it, and adjusted the voltage and current until the current was about 75mA. It was on... I guess kind of bright... but nothing like in the comments section of the site that I bought it at.

Did I do something wrong? I tried setting the voltage at 3.2, 5, 7.1, then I adjusted the current up slowly until it was about 75 mA. I must be doing something wrong.

Thanks
 
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First off, they are current devices. The spec means that a 'normal' LED will drop about 3.4 volts when passing the spec'd current. Limit the current. My guess is that when you 'adjusted' the voltage and then turned the current up until you got 75 mA, the voltage was the same in all cases unless you damaged the LED.
 
I limited the current with a resistor, then later a current source. The current source will output whatever current I tell it to, no more and no less. Or do I misunderstand something?
 
I will do this with another bulb:

5VDC from power supply, unlimited current.

22 ohm resistor: (5-3.4)/75e-3 = 21.33

Ok?
 
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Your math looks right. I am certainly not saying you were not driving it correctly before. Just wanted to clarify.
 
It just doesn't seem as bright as I expected. Maybe I just don't know any better. It seems dimmer than flashlights with similar candela ratings... is that all from the reflector in the flashlight?
 
The lens in an LED flashlight makes a big difference. Also different LEDs have different lensing and different emission patterns. There is generally a plot of the emission pattern.

I have a $4.00 cree flashlight that I bought from amazon (shipping included) and it is incredibly bright. But I think they drive a LOT more current.

If it's cheap, I'd drive one until it burns out and see if it is bright enough at any current, then buy one rated for that current.

BTW, 75ma is 75ma regardless of how you got it.
 
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The majority of the light goes \pm 10^{\circ} from the center top of the bulb. What if I put a diffusing cover on it? Would it light up the room like I want?
 
Shine it up the wall and see how it lights the room. That will give you some idea, maybe.
 
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The majority of the light goes \pm 10^{\circ} from the center top of the bulb. What if I put a diffusing cover on it? Would it light up the room like I want?

One LED at ~1/4 watt is never going to "light up the room".
 

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