I Legendre polynomials in boosted temperature approximation

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The discussion centers on the use of Legendre polynomials in the context of the cosmic microwave background temperature as derived in S. Weinberg's "Cosmology." Pierre initially struggles with the application of these polynomials in the derivation presented in the book. The conversation reveals that Legendre polynomials are relevant for analyzing temperature distributions and n-polar terms. Pierre discovers a discrepancy in the coefficients of the formula, initially calculating it incorrectly due to a mistake in the expansion used. Ultimately, the issue is resolved through careful re-evaluation of the calculations and the order of expansions.
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Hi all,

In S. Weinberg's book "Cosmology", there is a derivation of the slightly modified temperature of the cosmic microwave background as seen from the Earth moving w.r.t. a frame at rest in the CMB. On Page 131 (1st printing), an approximation (Formula 2.4.7) is given in terms of Legendre polynomials, but I have a hard time seeing how these polynomials get into the picture. Any hints?

Thanks in advance.

Bye,

Pierre
 
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(Mathematical explanation) Most expressions can be expanded in terms of a system of orthogonal functions with coefficients. If the coefficients tend to 0 rapidly enough, then a few terms of the expansion can be used as an approximation to the expression.

I have no knowledge of the particulars you are referring to.
 
Hello mathman,

Good point. Since the discussion here in the book is about temperature distribution, it makes sense to use Legendre polynomials to look at possible n-polar terms. A usual limited development factorised using Legendre polynomials yields the formula in the book (well, almost, but I get the idea).

Thanks a lot for your very helpful comment.

Bye,

Pierre
 
jouvelot said:
Good point. Since the discussion here in the book is about temperature distribution, it makes sense to use Legendre polynomials to look at possible n-polar terms. A usual limited development factorised using Legendre polynomials yields the formula in the book (well, almost, but I get the idea).

About this "almost" part, the first term in the book is -β2/6 while I find 5β2/6 (there is no mention of a typo here in the Corrections sheet available online). If anyone has an idea... ;)
 
jouvelot said:
About this "almost" part, the first term in the book is -β2/6 while I find 5β2/6 (there is no mention of a typo here in the Corrections sheet available online). If anyone has an idea... ;)

Did you subtract ##T## from (2.4.6)? I.e., (2.4.7) = (2.4.6) - ##T##.
 
Hello George,

I sure did. Moreover, this gives an additional factor term equals to 1, and not something proportional to β2 that would help explain the discrepancy.

Thanks for having looked into this :)

Pierre
 
jouvelot said:
About this "almost" part, the first term in the book is -β2/6 while I find 5β2/6 (there is no mention of a typo here in the Corrections sheet available online). If anyone has an idea... ;)

Okay, now I have done more of a calculation.

The first time I did the calculation, I got ##5 \beta^2/6##.

The second time I got ##- \beta^2/6##.

The first time that I did the calculation, I mistakenly used the expansion ##\gamma = \left( 1 - \beta^2 \right)^{-1/2} = 1 +\beta^2/2 + \ldots## instead of ##\gamma^{-1} = \left( 1 - \beta^2 \right)^{1/2} = 1 -\beta^2/2 + \ldots##.
 
George Jones said:
Okay, now I have done more of a calculation.

The first time I did the calculation, I got ##5 \beta^2/6##.

The second time I got ##- \beta^2/6##.

The first time that I did the calculation, I mistakenly used the expansion ##\gamma = \left( 1 - \beta^2 \right)^{-1/2} = 1 +\beta^2/2 + \ldots## instead of ##\gamma^{-1} = \left( 1 - \beta^2 \right)^{1/2} = 1 -\beta^2/2 + \ldots##.

George,

Oh! Great :) I see: one has to be pretty careful about the order with which expansions are performed. I'll sleep better tonight : )

Thanks a lot for your very useful help, and Merry Christmas.

Bye,

Pierre
 
Well, ultimately, it was not even a matter of Taylor expansion ordering, but just an oversight on my part. Thanks a lot for spotting it for me, George :)
 
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