Lengthening Pendulum Homework: Working with Equation 18.1

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a lengthening pendulum, specifically focusing on the application of equation 18.1 and its relation to equation 18.3. Participants are exploring the implications of treating the length of the pendulum as a variable rather than a constant.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are examining the derivation of terms in the equations, particularly questioning the origin of the term involving the derivative of length with respect to time. There is a discussion about the treatment of the pendulum length as a function of time and the implications of this assumption on the equations being used.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning their assumptions and exploring alternative approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the substitution of time derivatives with respect to length, indicating a productive direction in the conversation.

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There is a noted uncertainty regarding the treatment of the pendulum length as a variable and how this affects the equations being analyzed. Participants are also referencing external sources for additional context on the problem.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Working with equation 18.1 i found that
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However, this obviously is not the equation in 18.3.
I found a source talking about this problem, and they get a similar equation
http://file.scirp.org/pdf/JAMP_2014031310562629.pdf
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I have no clue where to go with this problem. Where is the 2 d theata / dl term coming from?
 
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dykuma said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Working with equation 18.1 i found that
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Looks like you treated ##l## as a constant. But ##l## is a function of time.
 
TSny said:
Looks like you treated ##l## as a constant. But ##l## is a function of time.
Hmm. I was assuming that it was a constant before I made the substitution, I see the flaw in my logic there. So then I need to leave it in this form
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But I am not familiar with how to treat L in this situation.
 
In the expression ##\frac{d}{dt} \left(l^2 \cdot \frac{d\theta}{dt} \right)## it might help to replace the time derivatives with derivatives with respect to ##l## using your relation ##\frac{d}{dt} = v \frac{d}{dl}##.
 
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