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The discussion centers around the properties of analytic functions, specifically focusing on the behavior of derivatives at points where the original function has zeros of a certain order. The original poster presents a problem involving a function f(z) that is analytic with a zero of order k at a point z0, and the task is to show that the derivative f'(z) has a zero of order k-1 at the same point.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the definition of a zero of order k and how it relates to the coefficients in the Taylor series expansion of f(z) and its derivative f'(z). There is a discussion about the coefficients and their significance in determining the order of the zero for f'(z). Some participants question the correctness of the definitions being used and suggest possible misunderstandings.

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Let f(z) be analytic with a zero of order k ...

Homework Statement



Let f(z) be analytic with a zero of order k at z0. Show that f '(z) has a zero of order k-1 at z0.

Homework Equations



f(z) has a zero of order k at z0 if Ʃcn(z-z0)n (here n goes from k to ∞, and k ≠ 0)

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, we of course f '(z) = kck(z-z0)k-1 + (k+1)ck+1(z-z0)k + ... ,

which looks to me like the definition of a function with a zero of order k at z0. ?
 
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It looks to me like f'(z) has a zero of order k-1 at z0. Why do you think it's order k?
 


Dick said:
It looks to me like f'(z) has a zero of order k-1 at z0. Why do you think it's order k?

If it had order k-1, then ck-1 would not equal zero.

At least according to http://chanarchive.org/content/63_x/3693517/1267659070786.jpg

A function f(z) analytic in Dr(z0) has a zero of order k at the point z=z0 iff its Taylor series given by f(z) = ∑cn(z-z0)n has c0 = c1 = ... = ck-1 = 0 and ck ≠ 0
 
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Jamin2112 said:

Homework Equations



f(z) has a zero of order k at z0 if Ʃcn(z-z0)n (here n goes from k to ∞, and k ≠ 0)

Perhaps this definition is faulty. It should have read

f(z) has a zero of order k at z0 if Ʃcn(z-z0)n (here n goes from k to ∞, and c_k ≠ 0)

The order of a zero is the index of the smallest nonzero coefficient in the power series expansion.
 


Ah. In f '(z) = kck(z-z0)k-1 + (k+1)ck+1(z-z0)k + ..., "c_(k-1)" is the coefficient of (x-x0)^(k-1). That's k*c_k. When they say c_k, it means different things in f(z) and f'(z). That's an imaginative way of being confused!
 


Dick said:
Perhaps this definition is faulty. It should have read

f(z) has a zero of order k at z0 if Ʃcn(z-z0)n (here n goes from k to ∞, and c_k ≠ 0)

The order of a zero is the index of the smallest nonzero coefficient in the power series expansion.

I see what the problem was. lol
 


Another question:

Locate the poles of the following functions and determine their orders.

(z6 + 1)-1



z-5sin(z)



(z2sin(z))-1




I'm not sure where to start with these. I haven't bought my textbook yet, and Google isn't giving me any good results.
 


Jamin2112 said:
I'm not sure where to start with these. I haven't bought my textbook yet, and Google isn't giving me any good results.

That's pretty weak. Look up the definition of what a pole is. Now start with the first one 1/(z^6+1). If it's going to have a pole at a point z then z^6+1=0, right? Where can that happen?
 


Dick said:
That's pretty weak. Look up the definition of what a pole is. Now start with the first one 1/(z^6+1). If it's going to have a pole at a point z then z^6+1=0, right? Where can that happen?

z = i

for one
 
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Jamin2112 said:
z = i

for one

Ok. Yes, that's one. You are supposed to be doing complex analysis here. The question of where x^6+1=0 isn't complex analysis. It's complex arithmetic. You should have covered this before. It's de Moivre. What are all six of the solutions?
 
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Dick said:
It's de Moivre.

We never learned that, but according to Wikipedia ...

(cos(x) + i sin(x))n = cos(nx) + i sin(nx).

Not sure exactly how to invoke it.

z6 = r6ei(6ø) and e = -1, so ...

Is that on the right track?
 
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Jamin2112 said:
We never learned that, but according to Wikipedia ...

(cos(x) + i sin(x))n = cos(nx) + i sin(nx).

Not sure exactly how to invoke it.

z6 = r6ei(6ø) and e = -1, so ...

Is that on the right track?

I would complain to your teachers they never taught you that, if you dare. I wouldn't. I think they probably did and you forgot. You already know i works. That's because i=exp(i*pi/2) and i^6=exp(i*pi/2)^2=exp(6*i*pi/2)=exp(3*i*pi)=(-1). Doesn't this ring kind of a bell that angles might have something to do with this? Hint: exp(i*pi/6) also works.
 

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