LGBT Discrimination Experiences in Physics

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The discussion revolves around experiences of discrimination faced by LGBT individuals in the field of physics, particularly focusing on personal anecdotes and perceptions of the climate within academic and professional environments. Participants share their views on the implications of openly identifying as LGBT in the workplace and the potential risks and benefits associated with such openness.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about joining the "Outlist" due to fears of increased discrimination, highlighting their experiences as a female in a male-dominated field.
  • Another participant mentions that friends in the STEM field have not reported discrimination, attributing this to the accepting culture in their location (Toronto).
  • Some participants argue that sexual preference should not be a topic of discussion in professional settings, suggesting that it is a private matter that does not concern others.
  • There is a viewpoint that LGBT individuals face a choice between sharing personal lives and risking discrimination or remaining silent and missing out on social interactions.
  • A participant notes that discrimination is not exclusive to the LGBT community, sharing their own experiences as a Mexican American and suggesting that various identities face challenges in social privileges.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding that everyone carries personal baggage to the workplace, which can lead to misunderstandings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the existence and impact of discrimination against LGBT individuals in physics. There is no consensus on whether discrimination is prevalent or how it should be addressed, with some arguing against the relevance of sexual orientation in professional discussions while others advocate for openness.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' claims are based on personal experiences and perceptions, which may not reflect broader trends. The discussion includes varying definitions of discrimination and personal identity, leading to differing interpretations of the issues at hand.

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Hello all,

I am a female Master's student studying Physics at Texas State University and I discovered this website today.

http://lgbtphysicists.org/

Personally, I think this is a great website with a great purpose. Upon discovery, I immediately wanted to join the "Outlist", but it occurred to me that this may be an invitation for more discrimination (being a female, I have already encountered my fair share of boy's clubs). I plan on pursuing a Ph.D. and hope to become a Professor eventually.

As we all know, there are few women in Physics, which leads to even fewer lesbians. I was hoping to hear from anyone in the LGBT community in Physics about any discrimination experiences you've had, or even heard of regarding your status in the LGBT community. If you've never had/heard of one, I'd like to know that too (if the good out weighs the bad, then I'll join). I approached a professor about this issue earlier today. He said that he hadn't ever seen any discrimination of this type, but he also admitted that he may have just been unaware of it.

Your comments and experiences are much appreciated!
 
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I can't say for physics, but a number of my friends working in the STEM field are part of the LGBT community and none of them have ever spoken to me of experiencing discrimination at work due to their sexual orientation. But then again, I live in Toronto (well known for being a very accepting place for the LGBT community, with among the largest Pride parades in the world), so I can't say that the experiences of my friends/colleagues are typical.

I'm glad to see that there are resources available for LGBT physicists and physics majors, as I see in the link you've provided. Now as far as whether to join the "Outlist" -- for what it's worth, I think that is a personal decision that you need to make for yourself. I would personally suggest that you might want to try contacting some of the people on the Outlist first (I see that there are e-mail addresses and web sites that are provided) and explain your situation and ask about their experiences.

Hope this is helpful!
 
Doubt that there is discrimation if you do not fall into the lgbt stereotypes.

Sexual preference is an issue that concerns nobidy besides ourselves. No one should be even be discussing their sex lives in the workforce or academia. It is not like race where we can nlt hide the color of our skin, yet our own sexual preference is nobody's concern.

Remember when we share things about ourselves, experiences, etc we are opening up to be critiqued by others.
 
TitoSmooth said:
Sexual preference is an issue that concerns nobidy besides ourselves. No one should be even be discussing their sex lives in the workforce or academia. It is not like race where we can nlt hide the color of our skin, yet our own sexual preference is nobody's concern.

Sex isn't the issue.

My office-mate and I are both married. We both tell each other about our family events, etc. We've each had the other and their spouse over for dinner. This is just normal social stuff in the workplace.

Gay people are forced to make a choice. They can participate in this kind of thing, which carries the risk of discrimination, or they can avoid ever talking about their personal lives, which insulates them from discrimination but deprives them of the social privileges and enjoyment that other people have.
 
bcrowell said:
Sex isn't the issue.

My office-mate and I are both married. We both tell each other about our family events, etc. We've each had the other and their spouse over for dinner. This is just normal social stuff in the workplace.

Gay people are forced to make a choice. They can participate in this kind of thing, which carries the risk of discrimination, or they can avoid ever talking about their personal lives, which insulates them from discrimination but deprives them of the social privileges and enjoyment that other people have.

Im mexican american n just being non anglo in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA deprives you of social privileges and resources of the judicial courts.

So Lbgt are not the only people being treated unfairly.

Like I stated. If you want to participate by all means do so. Just know we choose to participate in any events we are opening ourselves for criticisms. Now the question is. Do you care what other people think about you? Aim to be the best at what you do and not forsake your humanity along the way is ones best option in life. By aiming to be the best(whixh includes extreme effort) your work will speak volumes about yourself.
 
We all carry some baggage to the workplace. For some it is political. For some it is psychological. For some it is the decision to stay single. For some it is the decision to get married (however you decide to define it). For some it is their family background, their race, their gender, --whatever.

Please everyone, We are all ignorant of each other and we say thoughtless things all the time. Most do not mean anything rude by it. The few that do? You wouldn't want to be with them even if you were a heterosexual male WASP.
 

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