Light Travel After Big Bang: Baseball Universe Impact

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of the universe being the size of a baseball and the implications for the travel time of light across that space. Participants explore concepts related to the expansion of the universe, the nature of spacetime, and the effects of energy density on light propagation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether light would take 13.5 billion years to travel across a universe the size of a baseball, noting that the universe has never been that size.
  • There is a suggestion that the density of spacetime might affect light, though this is met with skepticism regarding the assumption that spacetime has a density.
  • One participant clarifies that spacetime itself does not have density, but rather the matter and energy within it do.
  • A proposal is made to reframe the question to consider if the currently visible universe had stopped expanding at an earlier time, which could imply a different energy density affecting light travel time.
  • Another participant asserts that the only way for the universe to have stopped expanding would be if it were closed and currently contracting.
  • It is noted that the time it takes light to traverse a distance is influenced by the expansion profile of the universe rather than directly by energy density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the assumptions regarding spacetime and the implications of energy density on light travel time. There is no consensus on the hypothetical scenario or its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions made about spacetime and the nature of the universe's expansion, indicating a need for clarity on definitions and conditions of the hypothetical scenario.

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If the universe had stayed the size of a baseball, would it have taken light 13.5 billion years to travel across it?
 
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What is your thought about it?
 
Pjpic said:
If the universe had stayed the size of a baseball, would it have taken light 13.5 billion years to travel across it?
The universe has never been "the size of a baseball" so I'm not clear why you are asking what would have happened if it has "stayed" that size.
 
student07 said:
What is your thought about it?
I don't know, maybe something about how the density(?) of spacetime effects light.
 
Pjpic said:
I don't know, maybe something about how the density(?) of spacetime effects light.
This posits an incorrect assumption that spacetime is an "ether". It is not.
 
Pjpic said:
If the universe had stayed the size of a baseball

The universe, as best we can tell, is spatially infinite, so, as phinds said, it has never been "the size of a baseball".

Pjpic said:
something about how the density(?) of spacetime effects light.

Spacetime doesn't have a density. The matter and energy present in spacetime does, but spacetime itself doesn't.
 
PeterDonis said:
The universe, as best we can tell, is spatially infinite, so, as phinds said, it has never been "the size of a baseball".



Spacetime doesn't have a density. The matter and energy present in spacetime does, but spacetime itself doesn't.


Maybe the question s/h/b stated as: If the currently visible universe had stopped expanding at an earlier time, would the greater energy density cause light to take the same 13.5 b.l.y. to traverse the radius?
 
Pjpic said:
If the currently visible universe had stopped expanding at an earlier time

The only way this could have happened would be if the universe were closed and that earlier time was the moment of maximum expansion. So the universe would currently be contracting.

Pjpic said:
would the greater energy density cause light to take the same 13.5 b.l.y. to traverse the radius?

First of all, it's years, not light-years, since you're talking about time.

The time it takes light to cover a given distance in the universe is not affected by the energy density, except in so far as the energy density determines how the expansion proceeds. All you need to know to figure out light paths is the expansion profile.
 

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