Lightly Damped Simple Harmonic Oscillator Resonant Frequency Formula Explained

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The discussion revolves around the fractional change in the resonant frequency of a lightly damped simple harmonic oscillator, specifically exploring the relationship expressed in the formula involving the quality factor Q. Participants are attempting to clarify the meaning of the fractional change and how it relates to the resonant frequency.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the interpretation of the formula for resonant frequency and its implications. There is an exploration of the Taylor Series expansion to approximate the change in frequency. Some are attempting to clarify what is meant by "fractional change" and how it is calculated.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the formula and its application. There is a focus on approximating the resonant frequency using Taylor Series, and some guidance has been offered regarding the expansion of the square root expression. However, no consensus has been reached on the correct interpretation or method.

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Participants are working under the assumption that Q is a practical value, and there is some uncertainty regarding the correct form of the resonant frequency formula. The discussion includes considerations of how to simplify expressions and the implications of large values of Q.

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Homework Statement


Show that the fractional change in the resonant frequency (\Delta \omega/ \omega_{0}) of a lightly damped simple harmonic oscillator is ≈ (8Q^{2})^{-1}.



Homework Equations


Is this a formula for the resonant frequency?
<br /> \omega_{m} = \omega_{0}\left(1 - \frac{1}{2Q^{2}}\right)^{1/2}<br />
How would I use this formula?



The Attempt at a Solution


Right now I'm in a place where I'm not sure what this question is asking. I'm trying to move to a situation where I understand what is being asked. What does fractional change in the resonant frequency mean? What parameter is changing that causes the resonant frequency to change?
 
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When Q is infinite, the resonant frequency =ω0

At any practical value of Q, the resonant frequency changes from this a little, and becomes
resonant frequency =ωm as given in that equation.

I'm speculating that they want you to use the first term of a Taylor Series expansion to approx a power of ½ by something to a power of 1.
 
mbigras said:
Is this a formula for the resonant frequency?
<br /> \omega_{m} = \omega_{0}\left(1 - \frac{1}{2Q^{2}}\right)^{1/2}<br />
That formula will not lead to the desired answer. Are you sure it isn't \omega_{m} = \omega_{0}\left(1 - \frac{1}{(2Q)^{2}}\right)^{1/2}? That's what seems to be implied by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_oscillator.
 
so the fractional change means: how far away from \omega_{0} is \omega_{m}? How do I apply the taylor series expansion to this question?
 
Fractional change would be ( ωm - ω0 ) / ω0

See how much you can simplify that expression.
 
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I'm getting
<br /> \left(1-\frac{1}{2Q^{2}}\right)^{1/2}-1<br />
 
mbigras said:
I'm getting
<br /> \left(1-\frac{1}{2Q^{2}}\right)^{1/2}-1<br />
... where Q is large, right? So expand the square root expression according to binomial / Taylor and take the first few terms as an approximation. You'll have to figure out how many terms to take.
 
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thank you very kindly for your help. I see what you mean about how my formula needs parenthesis.
 
mbigras said:
I'm getting
<br /> \left(1-\frac{1}{2Q^{2}}\right)^{1/2}-1<br />
... where Q is large, right? So expand the square root expression according to binomial / Taylor and take the first few terms as an approximation. You'll have to figure out how many terms to take.
 

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