Lightning Grounding: Why it Travels to Earth

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of lightning and its grounding to the Earth, exploring the nature of electric charge movement, the role of the ionosphere, and the behavior of current during lightning strikes. Participants delve into theoretical and conceptual aspects of electrical phenomena related to lightning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why lightning travels to Earth and what happens to the current after it enters the ground, suggesting a role for positive ions in neutralization.
  • Another participant describes how the ionosphere carries a negative charge, influencing the movement of charges between the ground and clouds, proposing that this creates a path for current to flow.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the role of positive charges in creating current, traditionally associating current solely with electron movement.
  • One participant clarifies that positive charges can indeed contribute to current, explaining that a deficiency of electrons in positively charged objects can facilitate charge movement during lightning strikes.
  • Several misconceptions are outlined by a participant, including the assertion that the ionosphere is not involved in lightning and that lightning can occur in multiple forms (ground to cloud, cloud to ground, cloud to cloud).
  • The same participant elaborates on the process of lightning, describing how ionized pathways, or streamers, form and connect to allow a brief but intense flow of electrons, characterizing the phenomenon of lightning.
  • Another participant shares a personal observation of ball lightning, noting its unusual behavior and referencing videos available online for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the role of the ionosphere in lightning and the nature of charge movement. Some concepts are clarified, but multiple competing views remain on the mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of charge movement and the role of different atmospheric layers in lightning phenomena. The discussion includes various interpretations of how current is generated and the implications of charge interactions.

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Hello, yes another GROUNDING question :)


Can anyone tell me why lightning wants to travel to the Earth?

and what happens to all that current that it carries after going into the Earth. Like what does the Earth do with it..

are there positive ions that neutralizes everything or what?
 
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when the ionsphere carries an electric charge it takes on a negative charge. When the ionsphere takes on the negative charge it forces the negative charges in the ground downward so that the Earth's positive charges move closer to the surface. when a path of least resistance is created to the ground the negative charges move to the Earth and a return current of positve charges moves towards the clouds. By this the charges neutalize each other in the Earth and the current dispates into the ground.
 
so positive charges can create a current too?
I thought the movement of electrons resulted in current... only..:s?
 
salman213 said:
so positive charges can create a current too?
I thought the movement of electrons resulted in current... only..:s?
That is true. When something is positively charged, it has a deficiency of electrons..that is, there are not enough electrons to keep the object neutral (in charge). When lightning strikes, electrons are flowing from the negatively charged area to the less-negatively charged area thus neutralizing the charge of both.
 
ohh very nice, thanks!

is that the idea of how current actually works though?

for example is that how the EMF is produced?
 
There are several misconceptions here.

1) The ionosphere is not involved in lightning.
2) Lightning can travel from ground to cloud, cloud to ground, or cloud to cloud.
3) Lightning is the neutralization of a difference in charge between the ground and cloud, or between two clouds.
4) The enormous voltages involved are capable of ionizing gas molecules. The ionized gas provides a pathway for the conduction of current.
5) These ionized pathways, called streamers, extend upward from the ground, and downward from the cloud, growing in length as the charges accumulate.
6) When two streamers touch, a complete pathway is formed, and a very brief but intense current of electrons flows. This is the bolt of lightning.

- Warren
 
chroot said:
There are several misconceptions here.

1) The ionosphere is not involved in lightning.
2) Lightning can travel from ground to cloud, cloud to ground, or cloud to cloud.
3) Lightning is the neutralization of a difference in charge between the ground and cloud, or between two clouds.
4) The enormous voltages involved are capable of ionizing gas molecules. The ionized gas provides a pathway for the conduction of current.
5) These ionized pathways, called streamers, extend upward from the ground, and downward from the cloud, growing in length as the charges accumulate.
6) When two streamers touch, a complete pathway is formed, and a very brief but intense current of electrons flows. This is the bolt of lightning.

- Warren
...and there is the mysterious "ball lightning". I have seen one occurrence of this and several videos. The one I actually witnessed went along an overhead span of 13.8kV, down one pole, back up the pole, back along the first span and then disappeared leaving no clear evidence of damage. It was about the size of a large beach ball. (about 3 feet in diameter)

Some videos of ball lightning are available on the net...via google.


Here http://www.sky-chaser.com/schlight.htm is a fairly good explanation of lightning. (Not that the above is insufficient...'tis just different.)
 
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