Limit in multivariable calculus

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The discussion revolves around evaluating limits in multivariable calculus, specifically examining the limit as (x,y) approaches (0,0) for the expression involving square roots and rational functions. Participants are exploring different approaches to determine the existence of the limit.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using variable substitution and polar coordinates to analyze the limit. There are questions about the validity of the expressions and potential typos in the problem statement. One participant raises a scenario about proving a limit does not exist by finding different limits along various paths.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with participants sharing their attempts and clarifying expressions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions under which a limit may be considered undefined, and there is an ongoing exploration of different paths to the limit.

Contextual Notes

There are concerns about the definitions of certain expressions, particularly regarding the square root of y² - 1, which is only defined for |y| ≥ 1. Additionally, there is mention of unbalanced parentheses in some expressions that may affect clarity.

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Homework Statement



Examine lim (x,y) -> (0,0) of:

[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+1} - \sqrt{y^{2}-1}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\sqrt{x^{2}+1} - \sqrt{y^{2}-1}}{x^{2}+y^{2}}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Tried variable sub:

[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+1} = a, \sqrt{y^{2}-1} = b[/itex]

[itex]\frac{a - b}{a^{2}-b^{2}}[/itex]

(a -> 1, b -> 1 as x,y -> 0)

Still nasty

Tried polar coordinates:

[itex]\sqrt{1 + r^{2}cosθ} - \sqrt{1 - r^{2}sinθ}/r^{2}[/itex]

But I can't find a way for this limit to exist (which it is supposed to do according to the answers).
 
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I think I got it. Conjugate rule...
 
Gauss M.D. said:

Homework Statement



Examine lim (x,y) -> (0,0) of:

[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+1} - \sqrt{y^{2}-1}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\sqrt{x^{2}+1} - \sqrt{y^{2}-1}}{x^{2}+y^{2}}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


...
Are you sure there's not some typo here?

##\displaystyle \sqrt{y^2-1\,}\ ## is only defined for |y| ≥ 1 .
 
Yeah, meant to write 1-y^2. But I figured it out anyway :)
 
Although I still have something I want to make clear: Say I wanted to show that a particular limit does NOT exist, for example:

[itex]xy^{2}/(x^{2}+y^{4})[/itex]

Is the following valid?

Let y = x:

[itex]x^{3}/(x^{2}+x^{4}) = x/1+x^{2}[/itex]

Which is 0 as x,y -> 0

Now let y = [itex]\sqrt{x}[/itex]

[itex]x^{2}/(2x^{2})[/itex]

Since I have found a path to the origin with an undefined limit, does that mean I have proven that the original limit does not exist?

Note by SammyS (Mentor):

The following was included a post which was otherwise an exact duplicate of this post.

I'm placing the extra text here because the other post appears in a thread which has been deleted.

Sorry, I meant, is it sufficient to find two curves with DIFFERENT limits?

I.e. let y = x and you have the limit = 0, and y = sqrt(x) and the limit = 1/2
 
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My first comment: Be careful with parentheses. You have unbalanced parentheses in one of your expressions. One of your other expression has a more serious problem. It needs an additional set of parentheses to make it true.
Gauss M.D. said:
Although I still have something I want to make clear: Say I wanted to show that a particular limit does NOT exist, for example:

[itex]xy^{2}/(x^{2}+y^{4})[/itex]

Is the following valid?

Let y = x:

[itex]x^{3}/(x^{2}+x^{4}) = x/1+x^{2}[/itex]
What this says literally is that [itex]\ \displaystyle x^{3}/(x^{2}+x^{4}) = \frac{x}{1}+x^{2}\ .[/itex]

What you meant to say (I hope) is [itex]\ \displaystyle x^{3}/(x^{2}+x^{4}) = x/\left(1+x^{2}\right)\,,\[/itex] which is equivalent to [itex]\ \displaystyle x^{3}/(x^{2}+x^{4}) = \frac{x}{1+x^{2}}\ .[/itex]
Which is 0 as x,y -> 0

Now let y = [itex]\sqrt{x}[/itex]

[itex]x^{2}/(2x^{2}[/itex]
This should have been [itex]\ x^{2}/(2x^{2})\ .[/itex]

Since I have found a path to the origin with an undefined limit, does that mean I have proven that the original limit does not exist?
If the limit along that second path was indeed undefined, then yes, that would show that the original limit does not exist.

[itex]\displaystyle \lim_{x\to\,0} \left(\frac{x^{2}}{2x^{2}}\right)\[/itex] does exist. What is it?

(It's different than the limit along the path y = x. That does show that the original limit does not exist.)
 
Yeah that was actually exactly what I meant but got confused in my latex-noobness :S
 

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