Limits of Multivariable Functions

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of a multivariable function, specifically the function f(x,y) = (x^2+y^2-x^3-xy^2)/(x^2+y^2). Participants are exploring the continuity of rational functions in R^2 and the implications of direct substitution in limit calculations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the continuity of rational functions and the conditions under which limits can be computed by direct substitution. There is an exploration of the implications of encountering a 0/0 form when substituting values into the function. Some participants question the validity of the lecturer's statements regarding continuity and direct substitution, suggesting that additional constraints may be necessary.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding continuity and the application of direct substitution. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the discontinuity at the origin and the potential for defining the function at that point.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the function being undefined at the origin (0,0), which introduces the concept of removable discontinuities. Participants are also considering the implications of the definitions and constraints on rational functions in the context of limits.

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Homework Statement


Find the following limit:
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My lecturer has said that rational functions which are a ratio of two polynomials are continuous on R^2. He also said that the limits of continuous functions can be computed by direct substitution.

The function here f(x,y) = x^2+y^2-x^3-xy^2/x^2+y^2 is a rational function(ratio of two polynomials) so it should be continuous on R^2, which means we can compute the limit by direct substitution. But if you try and sub in 0 for x and y, you get 0/0 which means the function is not continuous at (0,0)?

( I know I am meant to factor them and then do it but I don't understand why it isn't working like this straight up if the rules say it should)
 
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CoolDude420 said:
But if you try and sub in 0 for x and y
When you sub in ##\epsilon_x## and ##\epsilon_y ## things might go better. But factoring shows that straight away.
 
CoolDude420 said:
rational functions which are a ratio of two polynomials are continuous on R^2.
That doesn't sound right. The function ##f:\mathbb R^2\to \mathbb R## such that ##f(x,y)=1/x## is a ratio of two polynomials, but is not continuous. Additional constraints are needed on the types of polynomial for the statement to be true. I suspect (but have not checked it) that a sufficient constraint might be the requirement that the lowest order of any term in the numerator is no lower than the lowest order of any term in the denominator.
CoolDude420 said:
the limits of continuous functions can be computed by direct substitution.
That also sounds wrong. The function ##g:[0,\infty)\to\mathbb R## such that ##g(0)=0## and, for nonzero ##x,\ g(x)=x/\log x##, is continuous but its value at ##x=0## cannot be calculated by direct substitution. I suppose it depends on exactly what is meant by 'direct substitution' though.
 
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Homework Statement


Find the following limit:
502f2de48d.png


Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


My lecturer has said that rational functions which are a ratio of two polynomials are continuous on R^2. He also said that the limits of continuous functions can be computed by direct substitution.

The function here f(x,y) = (x^2+y^2-x^3-xy^2)/(x^2+y^2) is a rational function(ratio of two polynomials) so it should be continuous on R^2, which means we can compute the limit by direct substitution. But if you try and sub in 0 for x and y, you get 0/0 which means the function is not continuous at (0,0)?

( I know I am meant to factor them and then do it but I don't understand why it isn't working like this straight up if the rules say it should)
I suppose he could mean that any rational function is continuous over its domain. In the case of this rational function, the domain is ℝ2\(0,0).

However, you are correct about the function not being continuous at the origin, since it is not defined there. However, that appears to be a removable discontinuity, so define f(0, 0) = 1 in addition to what you have.
 

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