Limits of Trig Functions: Evaluating x→0

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit as x approaches 0 for the expression involving cosine and sine functions: \(\lim_{x\longrightarrow 0 } \frac{\cos(\sin x) - \cos x}{x^4}\). Participants explore various approaches to tackle this limit, including series expansions and l'Hospital's rule.

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  • The original poster attempts to use series expansions for sine and cosine functions but questions the validity of their transformations and the resulting limit. Some participants suggest applying l'Hospital's rule as an alternative approach. There is also a discussion about the implications of dropping higher-order terms in the series expansions.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, questioning assumptions, and clarifying transformations in their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of series expansions and the behavior of functions as x approaches 0, but there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome of the limit.

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There are discussions about the behavior of terms as x approaches 0, particularly regarding the limits of sine and cosine functions, and the implications of different approaches leading to potentially conflicting results. Participants are also navigating the nuances of mathematical expressions that lead to indeterminate forms.

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evaluate :
[tex]\lim_{x\longrightarrow 0 } \frac{cos(sin\ x) \ - \ cos \ x }{x^4}[/tex]What I've tried

I didnt go for l'hospital's rule seeing the power of the denominator .
I tried working this one by using the expansion series of sin and cos -:

[tex] <br /> lim= 1-\frac{sin^2x}{2!} + \frac{sin^4x}{4!} \cdots - 1 + \frac{x^2}{2!}- \frac{x^4}{4!} \cdots[/tex]

Dividing by x^4

[tex]= \frac{sin^2x}{x^2}. \frac{-1}{2x^2}+\frac{sin^4x}{24x^4}+\frac{x^2}{2x^4}-\frac{1}{24}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{2x^2}[/tex]

which gives ∞ as the answer..
Plz suggest a way to work this out
thx
 
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Apply l'Hospital's rule to the given limit sufficiently many times and you will get it.
 
f(x) said:
Dividing by x^4

[tex]= \frac{sin^2x}{x^2}. \frac{-1}{2x^2}+\frac{sin^4x}{24x^4}+\frac{x^2}{2x^4}-\frac{1}{24}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{1}{2x^2}[/tex]

which gives ∞ as the answer..
Plz suggest a way to work this out
thx

The last line is wrong. It boils down to:

[tex]- \frac{\sin ^ 2 x}{x ^ 4} + \frac{1}{x ^ 2}[/tex], which is: [tex]\infty - \infty[/tex], not just ∞ as you pointed out, one of your signs is wrong.

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l'hospital's' rule is one way, and yours is another:

We have for x near 0:

Since, the denominator is x4, all power of x higher than 4 will be dropped.

[tex]\cos (\sin (x)) \approx 1 - \frac{\sin ^ 2 x}{2} + \frac{\sin ^ 4 x}{4!} \approx 1 - \frac{1}{2} \left( x - \frac{x ^ 3}{6} \right) ^ 2 + \frac{x ^ 4}{24} \approx 1 - \frac{1}{2} \left( x ^ 2 - \frac{1}{3} x ^ 4 \right) + \frac{x ^ 4}{24}[/tex]

[tex]\cos (x) \approx 1 - \frac{x ^ 2}{2} + \frac{x ^ 4}{24}[/tex]

Now, plug all to your expression, and the answer shouldn't be far off.
Can you go from here? :)
 
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Thx for the help, Vietdao, but could you please explain how you did the followin transformation-:
VietDao29 said:
[tex]1 - \frac{\sin ^ 2 x}{2} + \frac{\sin ^ 4 x}{4!} \approx 1 - \frac{1}{2} \left( x - \frac{x ^ 3}{6} \right) ^ 2 + \frac{x ^ 4}{24}[/tex]
VietDao29 said:
[tex]- \frac{\sin ^ 2 x}{x ^ 4} + \frac{1}{x ^ 2}[/tex]
Isnt the above equal to 0 ? (using (sinx/x)=1), whereas the limit computed earlier by the expansion you have listed is 1/6. why don't they match ?

Thx again
 
f(x) said:
Thx for the help, Vietdao, but could you please explain how you did the followin transformation-:

Yes, of course. Since the denominator is x4, so any powers of x that are higher than 4 in the numerator when divided by the denominator (i.e, x4) will tend to 0 as x tend to 0. Right? So they do not affect the final result. So what we should do is to keep all the x's whose power are less than or equal to 4.

For x near 0, we have:

[tex]\sin x = x - \frac{x ^ 3}{3!} + \frac{x ^ 5}{5!} - ...[/tex]

[tex]\cos x = 1 - \frac{x ^ 2}{2} + \frac{x ^ 4}{4!} - ...[/tex]

When x tends to 0, sin(x) also tends to 0, so, we have:

[tex]\cos (\sin x) = 1 - \frac{\sin ^ 2 x}{2} + \frac{\sin ^ 4 x}{4!} - \frac{\sin ^ 6 x}{6!} ...[/tex]

Since the denominator is in x, we have to make one more change to sin(x), i.e convert them into x.

[tex]\cos (\sin x) = 1 - \frac{\left( x - \frac{x ^ 3}{3!} + \frac{x ^ 5}{5!} - ... \right) ^ 2}{2} + \frac{\left( x - \frac{x ^ 3}{3!} + \frac{x ^ 5}{5!} - ... \right) ^ 4}{4!} - \frac{\left( x - \frac{x ^ 3}{3!} + \frac{x ^ 5}{5!} - ... \right) ^ 6}{6!} + ...[/tex]

Now, the trick is to drop all the powers of x that is higher than 4, the ones that are in red.

[tex]... = 1 - \frac{ x ^ 2 - \textcolor{red}{\frac{x ^ 6}{(3!) ^ 2} + \frac{x ^ {10}}{(5!) ^ 2} - ...} - \frac{x ^ 4}{3} + \textcolor{red}{ \frac{x ^ 6}{60} + ... } }{2} + \frac{x ^ 4 + \textcolor{red}{ ...} }{4!} - \textcolor{red}{\frac{x ^ 6 + ...}{6!}}[/tex]

After dropping all the unnecessary terms, we have:

[tex]... \approx 1 - \frac{1}{2} \left( x ^ 2 - \frac{1}{3} x ^ 4 \right) + \frac{x ^ 4}{24}[/tex]

Do the same to cos(x), we have:

[tex]\cos x = 1 - \frac{x ^ 2}{2} + \frac{x ^ 4}{4!} - \textcolor{red}{ \frac{x ^ 6}{6!} + ...} \approx 1 - \frac{x ^ 2}{2} + \frac{x ^ 4}{4!}[/tex]
Isnt the above equal to 0 ? (using (sinx/x)=1), whereas the limit computed earlier by the expansion you have listed is 1/6. why don't they match ?

Thx again

Nope, when x tends to 0, sin(x) / x will tend to 1, that does not mean that it's 1.

Factor out 1 / x2, we have:
[tex]\frac{1}{x ^ 2} \left( \frac{\sin ^ 2 x}{x ^ 2} - 1 \right)[/tex]

Now, as x -> 0, the 1 / x2 will tend to infinity, whereas, sin2(x)/x2 will tend to 1. Note that, it only tends to 1, it's not equal to 1. So actually, it's the form [tex]0 \times \infty[/tex]

Is everything clear now? :)
 
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VietDao29 said:
Is everything clear now? :)

Yeah, that was perfect explanation, even better than what my professor's teach on board :)
 

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