Linear algebra and linearly independence

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The discussion revolves around determining the linear independence of three vectors represented as matrices in R^(2x2). Participants explore the concept of linear independence and the method to evaluate it in the context of matrix representations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of vectors in R^(2x2) and the conditions for linear independence. Questions arise regarding the method to demonstrate independence and the implications of linear combinations of the matrices.

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Some participants provide insights into the conditions for linear dependence and independence, while others question the assumptions made in the interpretations. There is an ongoing exploration of examples to illustrate these concepts, but no consensus has been reached on the original problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion between linear independence and dependence, emphasizing the need for clarity in definitions and interpretations of the matrices involved.

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Homework Statement


I have three vectors in R^(2x2):

(1 0 , 0 1) (That is "1 0" horizontal first line, and "0 1" horizontal second line), (0 1, 0 0) and (0 0, 1 0).

I have to determine if they are linear independent or not. I know how to do it in R^(2x1), but not in R^(2x2). What's the method?
 
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Are these matrices?
 
It's the same thing

If

a( (1,0),(0,1) ) + b( (0,1),(0,0) ) + c( (0,0), (1,0) ) = 0 (0 being ( (0,0),(0,0) )
then

( (a,b),(c,a) ) = ( (0,0),(0,0) ) so comparing positions, we get that a=b=c=0

(this assumes I interpreted R^(2x2) correctly, but I think I did)
 
Yes, these are matrices.

So the example is linearly independent, because they cannot be written as a linear combination?

If we take a new example: a(1,0)(0,1) + b(0,1)(0,0) + c(2,3)(0,2) = 0.

Then we get:

(a + 2c, b+3c)(0, a + 2c) = 0 so it is linearly dependent?
 
You almost "tricked" me- I misread "linearly dependent" as "linearly independent! Just setting the linear combination equal to 0, and adding is not sufficient. You have to specifically show that this can be satisfied without a, b, c all being 0. Here, you should also show that a+ 2c= 0, and b+ 3c= 0 are true if a= -2c and b= -3c. In particular, if c= 1, a= -2, b= -3, you have
-2\left[\begin{array}{cc}1 & 0 \\ 0 & 1\end{array}\right]- 3\left[\begin{array}{cc}0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0\end{array}\right]+ \left[\begin{array}{cc}2 & 3 \\0 & 2\end{array}\right]= \left[\begin{array}{cc}0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 \end{array}\right]
Because it is possible to get the zero matrix without the coefficients all being 0, they are dependent. That is, by the way, equivalent to saying one of the matrices can be written as a linear combination of the other two- here, just move the first two matrices to the right of the equation.
 

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