Linear Algebra: does it form a basis?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a set of polynomials forms a basis for a subspace W of P2, where P2 is the space of polynomials of degree at most 2. The original poster has identified two linearly independent polynomials but is uncertain about how to demonstrate that these polynomials constitute a basis for W, particularly in light of the dimension constraints imposed by the subspace.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of having two linearly independent polynomials in a space that can have a maximum dimension of three. There is exploration of how the constraint that p(-1) = 0 might affect the dimension of W. Some participants suggest that this constraint could reduce the dimension of the subspace, while others question how to formally prove this reduction.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their reasoning and interpretations. Some have provided insights into how the polynomials relate to the constraints, while others express confusion about the implications of the constraints on the dimensionality of the subspace. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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There is a focus on the relationship between the number of constraints and the resulting dimension of the subspace. The participants are also considering the specific forms of the polynomials involved and how they relate to the constraints given in the problem statement.

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I already did parts i and ii (correctly, I hope). On part iii I found 2 linearly independent elements to be: t+1, t^2 - 1.

However, I don't understand how to show that these form a basis of W. Because W is a subspace of P2, and P2 has dimension 3, we know W has at most dimension 3. But I only have 2 elements, not 3, so I can't use this to show that I have a basis. Perhaps the constraint that p(-1) = 0 reduces the dimension, but I don't know how to prove this.

Thanks.
 

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brushman said:
However, I don't understand how to show that these form a basis of W. Because W is a subspace of P2, and P2 has dimension 3, we know W has at most dimension 3. But I only have 2 elements, not 3, so I can't use this to show that I have a basis. Perhaps the constraint that p(-1) = 0 reduces the dimension, but I don't know how to prove this.

Thanks.

A polynomial in W is can be represented by an ordered pair of numbers (a0, a1): p(t)=a0+a1t+(a1-a0)t^2. So the set W is isomorphic with the set of ordered pair of numbers ...

ehild
 
the constraint that -1 is a root gives
a_0-a_1+a_2=0
a_0=a_1-a_2

so then

a(t^2-1)+b(t+1)=at^2-a+bt+a=at^2+bt+(b-a)

since a is the coefficient on t^2 and b is the coefficient on t we can let
a=a_2 and b=a_1
to find
a_2(t^2-1)+a_1(b+1)=a_2 t^2+a_1 t +(a_1-a_2)
from the constraint we found a_0=a_1-a_2
and so
a_2(t^2-1)+a_1(b+1)=a_2t^2+b_1t+a_0

you follow?

I should also add, every constraint you add to a system reduces the dimension of it by 1, adding another root would make it a 1 dimensional problem
 
genericusrnme said:
the constraint that -1 is a root gives
a_0-a_1+a_2=0
a_0=a_1-a_2

so then

a(t^2-1)+b(t+1)=at^2-a+bt+a=at^2+bt+(b-a)

since a is the coefficient on t^2 and b is the coefficient on t we can let
a=a_2 and b=a_1
to find
a_2(t^2-1)+a_1(b+1)=a_2 t^2+a_1 t +(a_1-a_2)
from the constraint we found a_0=a_1-a_2
and so
a_2(t^2-1)+a_1(b+1)=a_2t^2+b_1t+a_0

you follow?

Not really...:smile: I would do it just on the opposite way.

Those polynomials which have root -1, are of form pa,b(t)=at^2+bt+(b-a), that is pa,b(t)=a(t^2-1)+b(t+1), which means all such polynomials are linear combination of the basic "vectors" p1=t^2-1 and p2=t+1. Two basic vectors define a two-dimensional subspace.

genericusrnme said:
I should also add, every constraint you add to a system reduces the dimension of it by 1, adding another root would make it a 1 dimensional problem

That is right.
With one more constraint, there would be only one free parameter, so the space would become one-dimensional.


ehild
 

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