Linear Algebra Question (Kronecker Delta?)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties and representation of the Kronecker delta in the context of constructing matrices, specifically the m x m matrix denoted as ##\epsilon(i,j)##. The original poster is tasked with writing out all instances of ##\epsilon(i,j)## for m = 4, leading to a total of 16 matrices.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to express the matrices ##\epsilon(i,j)## explicitly and questions the significance of the parameters r and s. Some participants clarify that the matrices should be 4 x 4 and express confusion regarding the representation of these matrices.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, seeking clarification on how to construct the matrices and the implications of the Kronecker delta notation. There is a recognition that many entries in the matrices will be zero, and some participants are beginning to identify the conditions under which the entries are non-zero.

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The original poster has not yet started their course and is working with limited prior knowledge of the relevant mathematical concepts. There is an ongoing discussion about the correct interpretation of the problem statement and the expected output.

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Homework Statement

For fixed m ≥ 1, let ##\epsilon(i,j)## denote the m x m matrix ##\epsilon(i,j)_{rs} = \delta_{ir}\delta_{js}##, where i,j may denote any integers in the range 1 ≤ i,j ≤ m.

(a) When m = 4, write out all ##\epsilon(i,j)## explicitly and label them correctly.

The attempt at a solution

My course hasn't started yet and all I know about the Kronecker delta/Levi-Civita epsilon notation is what little I've seen in videos.

They haven't stated the parameters of r and s, but I guess that doesn't matter since ##\delta_{i,j} = 1## if and only if i = j, and 0 otherwise?

All I can think of at the moment is this (can anyone tell me if this is correct?):

##\epsilon(1,1)_{rs} = \delta_{1r}\delta_{1s} = \delta_{11}\delta_{11}##
##\epsilon(1,2)_{rs} = \delta_{1r}\delta_{2s} = \delta_{11}\delta_{22}##
##\epsilon(1,3)_{rs} = \delta_{1r}\delta_{3s} = \delta_{11}\delta_{33}##
(...) etc. making 16 values in total. Is this the kind of thing they're looking for?

I still can't quite understand what I'm doing -- how does ##\delta_{11}\delta_{22}## represent an entry in a 4 x 4 matrix, for instance? Does that mean that both the entries in row 1 column 1 AND row 2 column 2 have value 1?

(I apologise for deleting the 'relevant equations' section -- I literally don't know which ones are relevant.)
 
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Hi FeDeX_LaTeX! :smile:
FeDeX_LaTeX said:
##\epsilon(1,1)_{rs} = \delta_{1r}\delta_{1s} = \delta_{11}\delta_{11}##
##\epsilon(1,2)_{rs} = \delta_{1r}\delta_{2s} = \delta_{11}\delta_{22}##
##\epsilon(1,3)_{rs} = \delta_{1r}\delta_{3s} = \delta_{11}\delta_{33}##
(...) etc. making 16 values in total. Is this the kind of thing they're looking for?

No, they want you write out eg ##\epsilon(1,1)## as a matrix:

##\epsilon(1,1)_{11}\ \ \epsilon(1,1)_{12}##
##\epsilon(1,1)_{21}\ \ \epsilon(1,1)_{22}## :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi FeDeX_LaTeX! :smile:


No, they want you write out eg ##\epsilon(1,1)## as a matrix:

##\epsilon(1,1)_{11}\ \ \epsilon(1,1)_{12}##
##\epsilon(1,1)_{21}\ \ \epsilon(1,1)_{22}## :wink:

Thanks for the reply -- I'm confused... how did you know ##\epsilon(1,1)## should be a 2 x 2 matrix?
 
FeDeX_LaTeX said:
Thanks for the reply -- I'm confused... how did you know ##\epsilon(1,1)## should be a 2 x 2 matrix?

He does not say that ##\epsilon(1,1)## is a 2 x 2 matrix; he just shows you some of what you need to compute. The question actually say m = 4, so you need a 4 x 4 matrix.
 
Ray Vickson said:
He does not say that ##\epsilon(1,1)## is a 2 x 2 matrix; he just shows you some of what you need to compute. The question actually say m = 4, so you need a 4 x 4 matrix.

So I'm completing a 4 x 4 matrix consisting of only ##\epsilon(1,1)##?
 
[tex]\epsilon(1,1)[/tex] IS a 4x4 matrix. The r,s entry of it is given by [itex]\delta_{1r} \delta_{s1}[/itex].

In particular you will notice that many of the entries of this matrix are zero. Can you identify what values of r and s make [itex]\delta_{1r} \delta_{s1}[/itex] non-zero?
 
FeDeX_LaTeX said:
So I'm completing a 4 x 4 matrix consisting of only ##\epsilon(1,1)##?

It reads to me like it wants you to write out all 16 of the 4 x 4 matrices, although I don't see what the point of doing that could possibly be---unless, maybe, there is a pattern that it is important to exploit later in some context.
 
Office_Shredder said:
[tex]\epsilon(1,1)[/tex] IS a 4x4 matrix. The r,s entry of it is given by [itex]\delta_{1r} \delta_{s1}[/itex].

In particular you will notice that many of the entries of this matrix are zero. Can you identify what values of r and s make [itex]\delta_{1r} \delta_{s1}[/itex] non-zero?

Sorry, I wasn't aware it represented a matrix -- I thought it just represented some number permutations. So ##\epsilon(1,1)## is just going to give me a 4 x 4 matrix with zero for every entry apart from the top-left, right?

r = s = 1 makes it non-zero?
 
That's correct. The other ones can be solved similarly
 

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