Linear Algebra: Span & Orthogonal Vectors

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The discussion revolves around the concept of span in linear algebra, particularly in relation to orthogonal vectors. The original poster is exploring the relationship between the span of two vectors and their column space, while attempting to find mutually orthogonal vectors that span the same space.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the span of two vectors to their column space and seeks to find orthogonal vectors that span the same space. Participants discuss alternative methods for orthogonalization and inquire about the applicability of these methods in higher dimensions.

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Participants have provided guidance on alternative methods for orthogonalization, such as the Gram-Schmidt process, and have confirmed its applicability beyond three dimensions. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem.

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The original poster is working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the methods they can use or the assumptions they can make about the vectors involved.

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Hi all,

I am having a little trouble understanding the concept of span. I do realize the definition of the span of two vectors is all possible linear combinations of the two vectors but I am trying to make the concept understandable with regards to the problems I have been assigned.

Before I give the problem, let me first ask a question. Since I do understand the concept of column space, can I think of a span of two vectors in a similar manner. For example,
is the column space of
[1 1
1 0
2 1]
equal to the span of the column vectors v1 = [1 1 2] and v2 = [1 0 1] ?Anyway, here is the problem along with my solution.

Let column vectors v1 = [1 1 2] and v2 = [1 0 1]
Find mutually orthogonal vectors u1 and u2 such that the span of {v1, v2} is the same as the span of {u1, u2}.

First, I check to see if the vectors are multiples of each other. Since they are not, I know that the two vectors make a plane, which is the span of the vectors. I use the cross product to find the equation of the plane which is i + j - k = 0 Since I must find two orthogonal vectors that are in the span of the two given vectors, I am basically looking for two orthogonal vectors that satisfy the above equation of the plane. So if I take v1 = u1, then I can choose u2 = [1 -1 0]

Is this correct?
 
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I think you understand the concept very well. There are other ways to orthogonalize a set of vectors that don't involve the cross product but that will work.
 
Dick said:
I think you understand the concept very well. There are other ways to orthogonalize a set of vectors that don't involve the cross product but that will work.

Could you please elaborate on the method at which you hinted? Does it work in dimensions greater than 3?
 
It's called Gram-Schmidt. And, yes it works in dimensions not equal to 3, where you don't have a cross product. You basically use the dot product to remove parallel components of vectors. I'll let you look it up.
 

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