Linear algebra, vector spaces (for quantum)

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The discussion revolves around the properties of polynomial functions as they relate to vector spaces in linear algebra, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics. The original poster is exploring various conditions on polynomials of degree less than N and whether these conditions affect their status as a vector space.

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  • Participants discuss whether the set of polynomials constitutes a vector space under different conditions, questioning the implications of linear independence, basis sets, and dimensionality.

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Some participants have provided insights into the definitions of vector spaces and the implications of specific conditions on polynomials. There is an ongoing exploration of how these conditions affect dimensionality and the nature of the basis sets. Multiple interpretations are being examined, particularly regarding the dimensions of the spaces defined by even functions and other constraints.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of vector spaces, with some expressing confusion about the application of these concepts to polynomials. There are references to external resources for foundational understanding, and the discussion reflects a mix of attempts and clarifications regarding the nature of polynomial functions in this mathematical context.

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I have never taken linear algebra, but we're doing some catch-up on it in my Quantum Mechanics class. Using the Griffiths book, problem A.2 if you're curious.

Please explain how to solve this, if you help me. If you know of resources on how to think about this stuff, I'd greatly appreciate the assistance.
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Consider the collection of all polynomials (with complex coefficients) of degree less than N in x.
a.) Does this set constitutte a vector space (with the polynomials as vectors)? If so, suggest a convenient basis and give the dimension of the space. If not, which of the defining properties does it lack?
b.) What if we require that the polynomials be even functions?
c.) What if we require that the leading coefficient (i.e., the number multiplying x^(N-1)) be 1?
d.) What if we require that the polynomials have the value 0 at x=1?
e.) What if we require that the polynomials have the value 1 at x=0?

My attempt at a solution is:
a.) Yes, it doesw consitute a vector space. Any vector would be an ordered N-tuple (?) constructed from the coefficients. How would I answer about the dimension of the space? Does it have N dimensions? I'm not sure if I understand what is being asked.
b.) Nothing changes?
c.) Then you'd have a pretty boring vector space? But I think all the rules would work.
d.) Still a vector space?
e.) Still a vector space? I don't see why that would change, I must be missing something.
 
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I don't know where to start. If Griffith doesn't have the introductory material then start with the usual on-line reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_space The key point is that vector spaces are more then just n-tuples of numbers. They are sets of objects that combine 'like' n-tuples of numbers. To start with the first one, all of your polynomials look like p(x)=c0+c1*x+c2*x^2+...+cn*x^(N-1), right? Can you suggest a set of simple functions of x that you can combine with constant coefficients that are linearly independent (study that concept) with which you can make any polynomial of degree less than N? Yes, the dimension is N. For the second one, something does change. p(x) is even means p(x)=p(-x). Not all polynomials satisfy that. The dimension is lower. How much lower? Like I said, this is a big subject. Post these questions one at a time and you'll probably get more help.
 
Thanks for the tip.

I must be confused from what my teacher's notes are saying. He basically said the vectors would be defined as polynomials, like your p(x) above.
And this sentence:
"Can you suggest a set of simple functions of x that you can combine with constant coefficients that are linearly independent (study that concept) with which you can make any polynomial of degree less than N?"
is nearly meaningless to me. I understand linear independence, but why would I use simple functions of x to make a polynomial?

What do you mean that vector spaces are sets of objects that combine "like" n-tuples of numbers? A vector space is a set of vectors, right? Vector objects.

Okay, so b.) has N/2 dimensions, then.
 
You do use simple functions to make polynomials. You combine {1,x,x^2,...x^(N-1)} to make a general polynomial. And if you understand linear independence, great! They are linearly independent. So they are a basis for all polynomials. And they span a space that is a lot like the space of n-tuples. But they aren't "n-tuples", they are functions. Sort of right for b). If you have polynomials of degree less than 3, is the dimension 3/2?
 
I see your point, but I don't know how to generalize the value for the dimension.

From what you're saying: in part a.), the basis is simply the set of {1, x, x^2...x^(N-1)} and the vectors are represented by the coefficients {c_0, c_1...c_(N-1)}. Okay, that makes sense.

For part b.), the dimension is not N/2 but something like it...N/2 if N is even, and N-1/2 if N is odd? There may be a better way to say that. And the basis is now the set {1, x^2, x^4...x^(N...?)}, or something close? With coefficients {c_o, c_2, c_4...etc}? This would happen because only the even-exponent values in the polynomial are even functions.

For part c.), wouldn't the vectors span the space, because they are linearly dependent, because they are all just {1, 1, 1,...}? Then would the basis be 0? Would the dimension be 1?

For part d/e I am still at a loss.
 
Saying N/2 for N even and (N-1)/2 for n odd is just fine. For part c), review the definition of a vector space. If O is the set of polynominals with the coefficient of x^(N-1) equal to 1, is it closed under addition? If you add to elements of O, do you get an element of O?
 

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