Linear Force to Torque Conversion

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of linear force to torque, specifically addressing the calculations and units involved in torque measurement. Participants explore the implications of force applied to gears and the relationship between torque and linear speed, while also clarifying terminology related to torque units.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that torque is calculated as force times radius, with a conversion to usable units like foot-lbs or Newton-meters.
  • Others argue that the gear's material properties, such as being hardened Hadox, allow it to withstand significant forces, challenging earlier claims about gear failure.
  • There is confusion regarding the units of torque, with some participants stating that torque is measured in Newton-meters, while others claim it is measured in Newtons.
  • One participant questions whether torque varies with input linear speed, suggesting that power delivered by torque does change with speed, while another insists that torque itself does not vary with speed.
  • A later reply clarifies that the power can be computed based on linear speed times linear force or as angular velocity times torque.
  • Participants discuss the torque generated by an input shaft turning at a specific RPM with a given torque input, with one stating that the output torque matches the input torque barring frictional resistance.
  • There is a note on the importance of case sensitivity in unit abbreviations, distinguishing between 'NM' for nautical miles and 'Nm' for Newton-meters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the measurement units for torque and whether torque varies with linear speed. The discussion remains unresolved on these points, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific conditions, such as the material properties of gears and the effects of friction, which may influence the discussion but are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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Individuals interested in mechanical engineering, physics, or those working with gears and torque calculations may find this discussion relevant.

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Physics answer: Torque is force times radius, so 4 tons X 20 mm. Then you need to put that into usable units, such as foot-lbs or Newton-meters. Be sure to use the gear pitch diameter, not the outside diameter.

More realistic answer: 4 tons will shear off the teeth of any normal 40 mm diameter gear, so zero torque.
 
Thank you for your reply.
Actually the gear and rack is hardened Hadox material and it is currently working in a machine. This gear can take up to 10 ton pressure (;-)
 
So what is the actual answer in Newtons?
 
unirobotics said:
So what is the actual answer in Newtons?
Undefined. Torque is not measured in Newtons.

4 tons of force is about 35000 Newtons.
20 mm of radius is 0.02 meters.

Multiply them together and you have 35000 ##\times## 0.02 = 700 Newton-meters.
 
jbriggs444 said:
Undefined. Torque is not measured in Newtons.
No, torques IS measured in Newtons.
 
unirobotics said:
No, torques IS measured in Newtons.
No, torque IS NOT measured in Newtons.
 
Newton Meters
 
I did not expect anyone to misunderstand. Actual NM is the abrv. But what is the answer, instead of haggling about a term
 
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unirobotics said:
I did not expect anyone to misunderstand. Actual NM is the abrv. But what is the answer, instead of haggling about a term
See the edit I'd already added to #5 above.
 
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It's Newton times meter, i.e., Nm.

The torque relative to the origin of the frame of reference is ##\vec{\tau}=\vec{r} \times \vec{F}##.
 
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Ok, apologies. However, the problem is does the torque not vary with the input linear speed? The 35,000 Newtons are moving at 200mm per minute. What happens if it moves say 200mm per 20 seconds?
 
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unirobotics said:
Ok, apologies. However, the problem is does the torque not vary with the input linear speed? The 35,000 Newtons are moving at 200mm per minute. What happens if it moves say 200mm per 20 seconds?
No. Torque does not vary with input linear speed.

The power delivered by the torque does vary proportionally to input linear speed. You could compute that based on linear speed times linear force. Or as angular velocity times torque.

For force in Newtons and velocity in meters per second, the resulting power in Watts is simply force times [parallel] velocity.

For torque in Newton-meters and angular velocity in radians per second, the resulting power in Watts is simply torque times [aligned] angular velocity.
 
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Thank you for your answer. It helped a great deal. Instead of posting a new question could I perhaps procure help in this:
what is the torque generated by an input shaft turning at 2000 RPM with an input NM torque of 0.32NM?
 
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the shaft is 25mm Dia
 
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unirobotics said:
Thank you for your answer. It helped a great deal. Instead of posting a new question could I perhaps procure help in this:
what is the torque generated by an input shaft turning at 2000 RPM with an input NM torque of 0.32NM?
0.32 Nm. Barring any frictional resistance, the torque you can draw off from a shaft matches, on average, the torque you put in.

The torque delivered to the baler matches the torque delivered by the PTO on the tractor.

Note case sensitivity in unit abbreviations.
 
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unirobotics said:
Actual NM is the abrv.
NM : Nautical mile
Nm : Newton meter
 
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